WI: The United States invades Sweden in the 1970s?

Raferty

This is pretty strongly ASB

If the US did not invade during WW2, when Sweden was literally a point of logistical access for Germany and shipped it tons of war material, then no, I don't think the preachy virtue signaling that Sweden at the time was doing in the 70s (also regarding how Pol Pot was great, etc) would trigger something like that
 

Orcbuster

DougM said:
If you nt to y the NATO countries would break Nato up by tossing the US then you are going to have to show how these countries are going to defend themselves.
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Answer would be a European defense alliance with others, particularly France (having just left the NATO command structure themselves) jumping furiously at the opportunity to becoming the central nuclear umbrella provider for Europe. France was not alone in having strong anti-NATO elements in its populations. 70s was a relatively quiet period of detente for NATO and the soviets and the Soviets would jump at this obvious MASSIVE american blunder to reassure Europe that they posed no threat if it meant a reduced US influence over western Europe. This invasion would be the ultimate best case scenario for them with the US totally discredited on the international stage with their capability of power projection in the region severely crippled.

An actual soviet invasion would not be a realistic threat in this scenario. They would offer guarantees of military deescalation in europe and come out as the good guy who assured further peace and reap every benefit imaginable for it, simply by being the ones *not* to start a major war in europe.
 

Raferty

Logistically I don't even see how this is possible, either

Where would it be from? Norway and Denmark, who I suppose would join in? With what units available that were not needed elsewhere?
 

Seandineen

Mikestone8 said:
Inded, the only time I've seen it suggested in fiction was in Fletcher Knebel's Night of Camp David, where President Hollenbach favors annexing the whole of Scandinavia (and Canada also). But Hollenbach is portrayed as mentally ill.
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That's a great novel. The idea of us Canada union isn't in itself a bad idea.
 

Ramontxo

Donor
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Seandineen said:
That's a great novel. The idea of us Canada union isn't in itself a bad idea.
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Except for the Canadians of course

"The Unionest Party was a provincial political party in Saskatchewan in 1980 that promoted the union of the western provinces with the United States. It was the most politically successful annexationist group, but its success was both short-lived and extremely limited in scope. The party briefly had two members in the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan, both of whom crossed the floor from another party, but dissolved within a few weeks after failing to qualify for official party status.[21]"*


"The original Parti 51 was a short-lived political party in Quebec in the 1980s that advocated Quebec's admission to the United States as the 51st state. The party won just 3,846 votes, or 0.11 percent of the popular vote in the province, in the 1989 election — fewer votes than the Marxist–Leninists or the satirical Lemon Party"*
"In 2016 Hans Mercier, a pro-American lawyer from Saint-Georges, Quebec, revived the party for a second time.[23] ... ...The revived party ran five candidates and received just 1,117 votes provincewide in the 2018 Quebec general election, representing 0.03 per cent of the provincewide popular vote."*



*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movements_for_the_annexation_of_Canada_to_the_United_States
 
Brak

Brak

Cultural impact: the Swedish Chef becomes a symbol of the now even larger and stronger anti-war movement in the U.S.
 

lukedalton

DougM said:
I disagree, Yea countries will be unhappy (assuming the ASB of the US invading for no good reason) but with few exceptions Sweden was not endearing itself to anyone in the 70s various countries like Germany were in NO position to defend themselves.
Now obviously some here seam to think that the NATO countries were willing to basically commit suicide by tossing the US out, but I disagree.
These governments were smart enough to understand that that had no chance against the USSR at what was basically the height of its power. Nd hole countries have recently started doing insane things it was not common in the 60s and 70s.

If you nt to y the NATO countries would break Nato up by tossing the US then you are going to have to show how these countries are going to defend themselves. As they didn’t have the military nor the technology nore was their economy such that they could just switch to defense mode. I was in Europe in the mid to late 70s and it was like going back in time 25+ years. The technology was behind the US and the standard of living of even West Germany was not even close to what we had in the US. If you have only been to Europe this century or even the lat nineties it is hard to believe as Germany and GB and what have you have coughs up a lot but the difference back in the day was huge.
So good luck stopping the USSR from basically just walking over most of Europe.
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NATO countries are democracies and so popular will become policy and already the USA were not seen well due to the Vietnam War and there were a lot of leftist party on the rise; if Washington decide to invade Sweden, a neutral country that's an open secret that in case of war it will have been part of the western alliance, for more than ridicolous reason...well any politician that support stay in Nato will not survive an election
 

Lalli

presidentofyes12 said:
I, personally, believe that the USA invading the Swedes because they sent bandages to the North Vietnamese makes perfect sense.
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Not really. Then USA should invade lot of other countries too. And USA didn't invade Sweden after WW2 despite that it sold iron ore to Germany through the war.
 

Craig

Perhaps the 1955 example by the war mongers of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick convinced the US Government to not brush off a hostile Sweden and decided to invade before Sweden managed to build or steal a Quadium Bomb.

Could anybody blame them?
 
Historyman 14

Historyman 14

Like, beyond just how insane, and ASB it is, what would even be the United States game plan? What's their objectives? What's the exit strategy?

What is the MO for invading Sweden?
 

Lalli

Historyman 14 said:
Like, beyond just how insane, and ASB it is, what would even be the United States game plan? What's their objectives? What's the exit strategy?

What is the MO for invading Sweden?
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Had USA any clear and solid plans about invasions and aftermath after WW2?

At least with Afghanistan and Iraq plan was just oust Taliban/Saddam and bring democracy. And Sweden is already democracy.
 
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