WI: Beastiality is an accepted pratice...

[fred_smith]

The butterflies for this would destroy the modern world. But imagine a Judaism that positively encourages the priest to engage in sexual relations with the consecrated sacrificial animal. A female version, mostly theoretical and involving sex with animals is banned.

This world's equivalent of Christianity keeps the idea alive in symbolic form, which is actualised again in a norse ritualistic horse sex eucharistic rite in a Euroipean Empire. This is rare, and conducted only at special days of atonement in major cities.

Europe keeps and expands on the mythic image of Lillith having sex with a snake, which takes place more and more in the modern age as people try to escape the moral and myhtical constraints of beastiality driven Abrahamic religion.

The Indian Asmaveda ritual, which involves a woman having mock sex with a horse, is exported to the west. It has a big cultural impact, the ritual is performed at least three times by the more mad leaders of the north European nation which occupies India colonially.

 

[ThomasG]

And BTW, please do not spell bestiality with 'ea'. The only reason to do so is avoiding serious academic sites when you want to google dirty pictures.

Well technically its Zoophilia, but this more about the practice itself rather than the science.

 

[Dave Howery]

along with the general 'ickiness' of it all, there's a pretty grim side affect: disease. Syphilis is thought to have come originally from ancient bestiality rituals. If bestiality was worldwide and common, we'd inflict God knows what all kinds of diseases on ourselves....

 

[Caesar]

Monster Quest I believe.

Anyways, they did NOT use Chimpanzees, the Doc in charge used Orangatangs, because he thought the were more closely related to us (wrong), be he tried for awhile and even got some lady to volunteer, but before he could go through with the experiment, Stalin cancled all funds because he either grew tired of waiting, or he found out about it and was disgusted. The investigators were not sure whether, Stalin authorized this experiment or not. Since no records survived, only the Doctors Notes, i believe.

I'm almost positive that I remember hearing that there were chimps in the experiment as well, and that the scientist involved had access to a chimp population in West Africa.

 

[kojak]

I'm almost positive that I remember hearing that there were chimps in the experiment as well, and that the scientist involved had access to a chimp population in West Africa.

They were Orangutans.

Here's the Wikipedia page on Manpanzee's.

 

[Caesar]

They were Orangutans.

Here's the Wikipedia page on Manpanzee's.

The wikipedia article states:

Ivanov reached Conakry in November 1926 accompanied by his son, also named Ilya, who would assist him in his experiments. Ivanov supervised the capture of adult chimpanzees in the interior of the colony, which were brought to Conakry and kept in cages in the botanical gardens. On February 28, 1927, Ivanov artificially inseminated two female chimpanzees with human sperm (not his own or his son's). On June 25, he injected a third chimpanzee with human sperm. The Ivanovs left Africa in July with thirteen chimps, including the three used in his experiments. They already knew before leaving that the first two chimpanzees had failed to become pregnant. The third died in France, and was also found not to have been pregnant. The remaining chimps were sent to a new primate station at Sukhumi.

Emphasis mine.

 

[kojak]

The wikipedia article states:


Emphasis mine.

I must be tired. I just read that article and the fact that chimpanzee's were mentioned completely skipped my mind, I only noticed Orangutans.

 

[rcduggan]

Our earliest ancestors did and we are close enough relatives that offspring can be produced between us.

Albeit a such a mating is illegal and the Christian Right would throw a shitstorm if anyone tried experiments along that route, but fuck the Christian Right.

"...but it's safe to say that human DNA has become so different from that of other animals that interbreeding would likely be impossible."

http://www.slate.com/id/2153600/

Do you think it is only the Christian Right who opposes bestiality, and if they didn't protest everyone else on earth would be just fine with it?

 

[Caesar]

I must be tired. I just read that article and the fact that chimpanzee's were mentioned completely skipped my mind, I only noticed Orangutans.

Not a problem.

 

[ThomasG]

"...but it's safe to say that human DNA has become so different from that of other animals that interbreeding would likely be impossible."

http://www.slate.com/id/2153600/

"Probably not."

Which means there is a possibility, no matter how unlikely. The more interesting question would be how to classify and treat the off spring from such a pairing which where the ethical concerns come from.

It not all disimiliar to the gene splicing controversy a few years back when some scientists were combining human and chimp genes, though I have not heard anything since this was made public.

"Shrugs"

 

[Hapsburg]

Our earliest ancestors did and we are close enough relatives that offspring can be produced between us.

No, our ancestors bred with similarly related species, i.e one within the same genus or an immediate preceding genus, generally. A similarity of 98% isn't enough for genetic compatibility in mating. We could, for example, breed with Neanderthals (probably did), Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, etc. and possibly with later Australopithecus species, but not with chimpanzees or gorillas or other apes. It just doesn't work like that.

 

[~The Doctor~]

Might we see a label on food that reads either sodomized or un-sodomized?

No, seriously. If it survives into the 21st Century, I can totally see this happening. We might even have a scale for meat-eating:

-Sodomized
-Un-sodomized (ie Virgin)
-Vegetarian
-Vegan

 

[Broz]

acient babilonians would breed a race of supehuman goat people and with their help coquer all of asia
then, after preforming a ritual on the ruins of jerusalem they would use their super goat powers to unleash the deamons bound by solomon and then bind them again and use them as cheap labor and renewable energy source
thus would comence an era of unimaginable terror and the sodomising of small bunnies, simply becouse they can

also the steam engine would newer hapen, since a tribe of giant hamster people would be used to power most motorised apliances

 

[Artiewhitefox]

We live on a pornographic planet of life.

You are right. Humans need to realize we live on a pornographic planet of life. Humans ashamed of their own nakedness will also give guilt to others concerning it.

 

[Campbell1004]

Wait, bestiality isn't acceptable?

 

[deathgod]

I think a much more interesting question would be "WI Incest would be an accepted practice in our society" (which it should be). The butterflies would be unimaginable.

 

[Cuāuhtemōc]

I think a much more interesting question would be "WI Incest would be an accepted practice in our society" (which it should be). The butterflies would be unimaginable.

Depends what you mean? Cousin-cousin incest or are you going for brother-sister incest? Egyptians have done the latter I believe and the Hapsburgs really liked incest a lot; it didn't do much good for them if you read up on their history.

 

[John Fredrick Parker]

Wait, bestiality isn't acceptable?

Congrats, you win the internet sir...

 

[Fenrir_Angerboda]

I think a much more interesting question would be "WI Incest would be an accepted practice in our society" (which it should be). The butterflies would be unimaginable.

Cousins can marry in most Nations.
however, this is not the thread to discuss that particular subject.

 

[RookieHistorian]

I think a much more interesting question would be "WI Incest would be an accepted practice in our society" (which it should be). The butterflies would be unimaginable.

Interesting statement. Are you speaking of Cousin to Cousin, or going further to Brother and Sister?

I suppose you could be talking about step-siblings and the like, and how some could view that as incest. Of course, in that case, there's nothing wrong with it. Geneticially at least.

Personally, to be frank, the only real problem (this is disregarding the thoughts of society here) is that it can cause genetic problems. Interbreeding does not introduce new genetic information to the formula, and so the genes get messed up as they try to work together. The end result may not be "mentally retarded" or something like that, but other problems may exist. And if it goes on long enough generation by generation, the results become both more visible and more exetreme.

Society on the other hand, or at least since the dawn of Abrahamic religion, has a problem with it. I believe to some extent the Roman and Greeks had no real problem with Incest (or it was viewed similar to how they viewed bestiality.)

Perhaps you should start a thread and fully state your opinion, if nothing else to rid some of potential confusion over your statement.

For the record, my comment here is not meant in any way to support Incest. It is also not meant to be against incest either. I'm oddly neutral on that topic...

Probably because I don't care