What if North Korea had lost their Hwanghae and Kangwon provinces to South Korea in the Korean War?

[William_F]

It should be noted that the first local elections of any kind to be held in South Korea were held in the year 1952 during the Korean War but due to the constraints of the war these elections were not held in the provinces of Gyeonggi and Gangwon and in the city of Seoul.

However it wasn't until 1956 that local elections were held in the provinces of Gyeonggi and Gangwon and in the city of Seoul.

 

[William_F]

In relation to the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea,it will surely have less seats because of the North Korean territorial losses.

 

[octaviuz]

I didn't catch exactly how this change would have occurred.
[I've discussed a scenario where MacArthur isn't in command, the UN/US forces are a little more deliberate and dig in across the narrowest portion of the peninsula, so the border ends up being there when the PVA counterattack comes]
That would leave the southern parts of Pyongan and Hamgyong south of the border as well. Was the border on the provincial lines part of the negotiated peace?

Unrelatedly, i do think a smaller North is much more dependent on the PRC and juche/Kim monarchy stuff probably doesn't happen.

 

[William_F]

I didn't catch exactly how this change would have occurred.
[I've discussed a scenario where MacArthur isn't in command, the UN/US forces are a little more deliberate and dig in across the narrowest portion of the peninsula, so the border ends up being there when the PVA counterattack comes]
That would leave the southern parts of Pyongan and Hamgyong south of the border as well. Was the border on the provincial lines part of the negotiated peace?

Unrelatedly, i do think a smaller North is much more dependent on the PRC and juche/Kim monarchy stuff probably doesn't happen.

In this scenario the PVA counterattack failed to such a extent that the South Koreans with the help of the US/UN retook their pre-war territory in the area south of the 38th parallel and advanced further towards Hwanghae and North Korea's Kangwon Province.

The border on provincial lines is indeed part of the negotiated peace.

 

[William_F]

It is also important the note that the Kim monarchy stuff doesn't happen in North Korea in this timeline and Juche doesn't even exist.

What happens in North Korea instead is that Kim Il-sung is overthrown with the backing of the PRC and North Korea later becomes a more normal socialist state.

 

[Gillan1220]

It is also important the note that the Kim monarchy stuff doesn't happen in North Korea in this timeline and Juche doesn't even exist.

What happens in North Korea instead is that Kim Il-sung is overthrown with the backing of the PRC and North Korea later becomes a more normal socialist state.

Why wouldn't the Kim Dynasty exist here? If so, North Korea might be like OTL Vietnam, taking time to normalize into a globalized economy and eventually establish relations with the United States by the 1990s.

 

[LeX]

The DPRK of this timeline was be short about 6 million people (in modern figures) and would feel a lot more like East Germany in terms of its proportional geographical/population size with the South, which would probably have an extra 6-10 million people as a result (i.e. 18-19 million North Koreans vs 55-60 million South Koreans) . Like @William_F suggested, China might feel obligated to keep troops in North Korea and this would necessitate either a different faction/coalition taking over the KWP or Kim Il Sung being subservient to Mao. There would probably be no talk of North Korea being able to re-attempt an invasion.

North Korea as a Chinese protectorate would have less Soviet aid and be poorer than IOTL. It would probably not make news headlines as it would not be able to think about running a nuclear weapons program.

 

[William_F]

Why wouldn't the Kim Dynasty exist here? If so, North Korea might be like OTL Vietnam, taking time to normalize into a globalized economy and eventually establish relations with the United States by the 1990s.

As for why the Kim Dynasty doesn't exist in this timeline the reason is that the North Korean territorial losses being bigger weakens the authority of Kim Il-sung which could help pave the way for a PRC-backed coup against Kim Il-sung.

And just as the PRC does have their "Socialism with Chinese characteristics.

North Korea would have their "Socialism with Korean characteristics".

 

[William_F]

Of course with the Hwanghae Province being under South Korean jurisdiction anyone who managed to escape from that province before the war and survived to tell the story would naturally want to go back there as soon as the South Koreans had secured that province.

 

[William_F]

With Kaesong being part of South Korea in this timeline,many people both from South Korea itself and from abroad would be able to see many of the historical relics from that city.

 

[William_F]

Of course as for North Korea itself in this scenario.

I do agree that it would be like the OTL case of Vietnam and thus North Korea would be taking time to develop into a globalized economy and eventually establishing relations with the United States in the 1990s.