Sherlock Gnomes was made by Paramount and MGM whereas Gnomeo and Juliet was made by Touchstone and distributed by Disney proper.
The Shuffled Disneyverse 2.0: Another Alternate Disney Canon Timeline
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I know, I was just putting it out there. Besides, I do feel like that it’s a bit of an stretch.
It’s not likely tbh. I’m just considering them as possibilities.
Apparently in Spain, Piglet's Big Movie is part of the WDAC so that might be added in the re-shuffling post-1959.
Once again, up to you. I'd be interested to see more Pooh movies being shuffled.
Having said that, I really hope both Pooh movies (for now at least) are released before 2005.
I've officially decided to add the following to the shuffled lineup:
Moana 2
Zootopia 2
Frozen 3
The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Wild (part of the WDAC in the UK and other parts of Europe)
Piglet's Big Movie (part of the WDAC in Spain for some reason)
I'm also planning to include Planes as part of the Pixar lineup ITTL because it was John Lasseter's brainchild given, he was the executive producer, and at least 3 characters from the Cars franchise appear in it.
Moana 2
Zootopia 2
Frozen 3
The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Wild (part of the WDAC in the UK and other parts of Europe)
Piglet's Big Movie (part of the WDAC in Spain for some reason)
I'm also planning to include Planes as part of the Pixar lineup ITTL because it was John Lasseter's brainchild given, he was the executive producer, and at least 3 characters from the Cars franchise appear in it.
I've also decided that Gremlins will be made as a featurette but part of the reason it fell apart IOTL is because Disney failed to get exclusive rights to the subject "gremlins" so it might have to be titled something else.
He looks similar to his current design but more "1940s" so to speak.
The Reluctant Dragon and Other Tales (1947)
The Reluctant Dragon and Other Tales (1947)
British author Kenneth Grahame first published The Reluctant Dragon in 1898 as part of a collection of stories. A new separate edition was published in 1939, just as Disney had just come off his spree to Europe to seek more stories to make films out of, including another story by Grahame called The Wind In the Willows. By early 1940, just after the release and subsequent box office failure of Alice In Wonderland, Walt had started considering the story of The Reluctant Dragon for the “tour of the studio” film that would later become Tangled and creating a featurette based on Graham’s work instead of the Rapunzel fairytale, but Disney ultimately settled on the latter by May. At the same time, work was beginning on a new feature, which Walt intended to have his most iconic star lead. Disney shelved The Reluctant Dragon until the release of Victory Through Air Power in which it was determined the animation quality would not be suitable for a feature film but rather a package film.
Planning for Mickey and The Beanstalk began in early 1940 following the cancellation of The Concert Feature. Animators Bill Cottrell and T. Hee pitched the idea of a feature based on Jack and the Beanstalk starring Mickey Mouse. As much as Walt enjoyed the pitch, he was concerned about how they would use his characters, but they succeeded in assuring him that everything would be okay, and Disney green-lighted the project. Story development and production officially began on May 2. One year later, after the rough animation for The Lion King was complete, the Mickey feature, known at the time as The Legend of Happy Valley, began production in earnest. Since it was a low-budget film, 50 minutes of animation had been completed within six months. RKO, though, still doubted it would be a hit. The Disney animators’ strike delayed production long enough to cancel its proposed Christmas 1941 release date, and World War II (which cut off Disney’s access to foreign markets) put this on hold indefinitely until the war ended.
Ironically, World War II brought a new opportunity out of left field. In July 1942, Royal Air Force Assistant air attache Roald Dahl, then in Washington DC, connected with Walt, having written Gremlin Lore. He sent it to the British Information Services for approval, who then passed it along to Disney. In November, the RAF gave Dahl consent to help develop the story into a film after months of corresponding with Disney. While at the Studio, Disney partnered with Random House to publish The Gremlins in April 1943, selling 50,000 copies in the United States. There was one major problem, though. Aside from the fact that the RAF retained copyrights to the gremlins and demanded final script approval, Disney failed to get exclusive rights to the subject of “gremlins,” as other studios were making gremlin-based cartoons. One creative solution was to retitle The Gremlins to The Widgets for the film [1], and a financial solution was to develop it alongside The Reluctant Dragon and The Legend of Happy Valley as part of a package feature.
The Reluctant Dragon and Other Tales predictably begins with The Reluctant Dragon. A father tells his boy a story by father about a dragon living in a nearby Oxfordshire cave. The two decide to investigate if there is a real dragon, and lo and behold, there is. But this dragon, named Giles [2], is peaceful, friendly, and well-versed in poetry. Giles befriends the duo, but the townsfolk soon discover Giles’ existence and assume he is a fearsome beast, sending for Saint George to slay him. Now it’s a race against the clock to save Giles’ from the wrath of angry villagers. The next and shortest segment is based on Roald Dah’s gremlin story, titled The Widgets. The titular widgets are known for sabotaging British aircraft (via their small size) by causing numerous mechanical troubles and mishaps as revenge for the British destroying their forest home. Now, with a far greater threat arising, everyone must join forces to fight for the safety of their homeland. Thirdly, and lastly, is the most famous segment of the bunch, Mickey and The Beanstalk. After years of prosperity, Happy Valley has devolved into an impoverished wasteland, and Mickey, Donald, and Goofy are desperate for food. Mickey agrees to sell their cow in exchange for food but ends up trading it for magic beans. They sprout overnight into a cloud-high beanstalk, and Mickey and his pals venture into the clouds, ending up at the castle of Willie the Giant, who they must avoid at all costs.
The Reluctant Dragon and Other Tales premiered in New York City on September 27, 1947, before debuting nationwide on March 12, 1948. The package feature received mixed reviews from film critics at the time. Reviewers praised the plots of all three segments, alongside the voice performances, but the animation was criticized for being cheap-looking, many noting that Disney made the correct decision not to release these three films as individual feature-length films. The use of Edgar Bergen, Charlie McCarthy, and Mortimer Snerd was seen as not necessarily bad but took up too much screen time. It was successful enough at the box office, earning approximately $1.9 million on a $1.1 million budget. Audiences found themselves bored with the first segment, with each succeeding segment being more entertaining than the last. In the present, while none of the segments are outright hated, the only one with a large fanbase is Mickey and The Beanstalk, thanks to this being Disney’s last voice role as Mickey and its humor being among the best of all package film segments.
Live-Action Cast:
- Edgar Bergen as himself, Charlie McCarthy, and Mortimer Snerd
- Luana Patten as herself
- Glenn Leedy as himself
- Bobby Driscoll as The Boy
- Ernie Alexander as The Father
- Sterling Holloway as Giles
- Claud Allister as St. George
- The King's Men as The Villagers
- Cliff Edwards as Gus
- Jimmy McDonald as Widgets Gus, Jamface, and Prescott
- Dinah Shore as Fifi and Nella [3]
- Walt Disney as Mickey Mouse
- Clarence Nash as Donald Duck
- Pinto Colvig as Goofy
- Ruth Clifford as Queen Minnie
- Billy Gilbert as Willie the Giant
- Anita Gordon as the Golden Harp
[2] St. George retains his name from the original story and thus I decided to give the name Giles to the dragon instead of being unnamed like OTL
[3] Fifinellas were apparently female Gremlins in the book so I split it into Fifi and Nella and gave them two two individual characters
Sorry for the long wait, I've been focusing on my real life as well as other projects. I would usually say I'll update again soon but this next film is going to be a lot harder to develop than the others before it.
I'm guessing that won't be anything like Fantasia ITTL.
I assume this is just what "Three Fabulous Characters" was envisioned as, except with the Reluctant Dragon in the place of Wind in the Willows.
Funny how the titular segment is the least liked one, but yea it makes sense with Mickey and the Beanstalk being the last segment. Speaking of Mickey and the Beanstalk, I assume it's largely same thing as OTL here? Are there any framing devices like Jiminy Cricket from Fun and Fancy Free? And what happens to Bongo?
It's alright, tkae as long as you'll need. And good luck to both your real life and the next film.
When I first shuffled the films that’s what my thoughts were but with the upcoming reshuffling it’s possible that Fantasia could end up like its OTL counterpart. Although I did say that some of the Fantasia segment plots would end up in another feature so you never know.
Pretty much. I originally just had The Reluctant Dragon and Mickey Beanstalk but I added in The Gremlins so I could keep the title with one noticeable modification aka And Other Tales.
Mickey And The Beanstalk is pretty much the same except the storyboard of Minnie Mouse as the Queen giving the magic beans is a fully realized scene. I also mentioned that the interludes would feature Edward Bergen and his dummies (plus Luana Patten much like OTL plus another child actor) so the framing device is basically the same as it was for Mickey OTL but this time for all three segments. And as for Bongo, it’s still being made. Just a matter of when.
Thanks. The next film is the last true package film followed by another live-action/animated hybrid. The next two after that will serve as a transition from the Package Film Era back to the Golden Age as those two titles will have strong shades of both periods represented. If you have any questions about the next title, feel free to PM me.
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I'm announcing that I've officially added six films to the lineup (the three upcoming sequels, TNBC, Piglet's Big Movie, and The Wild) and reshuffled every film beginning from 1961 (the start of the Dark Age/Xerox Period) through the present day. A few had to be re-arranged due to some being hard if not impossible to make in their original shuffled slot, insistence on certain films being made at a specific time (like Mary Poppins), or to add time gaps between sequels, but otherwise, I like how this new lineup turned out. Oh, and at least one of the live-action/animated hybrids will be a TV series or made-for-TV film well before it's adapted into a movie.
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In that case I can only hope that it doesn't become The Wild or Chicken Little quality