The Great War at Sea ... Take 13

New Years, 1917

The guns on the Western Front had been silent for almost a month, however while the fighting had ended there, in other locations in Europe, the fighting would still continue at varying levels as many of the nations involved struggled to maintain control of what they found themselves in possession of, along with attempts to add additional parcels of the continent before the final proposals were agreed to.

While the remapping of Europe was fully underway by that point, there was little of that which would concern the Royal Navy at that time, as the RN had more than enough to concern itself with. The Admiralty and the navy would be concerning themselves with a supposed transition to peace, while at the same time retaining its near war time levels of operational efficiencies and resolute determination to dominate the sea lanes as needed.

For the most part, economic necessities and restrictions which would face the RN at that point, would be met for the most part by the widespread decommissioning of the older and badly worn out elements of the fleet. This, along with the release of the associated men and officers of these vessels, would be the first large steps toward addressing the large scale fiscal realities that were even in those early days of peace ensnaring the economies of Great Britain, the Dominions and the rest of the Empire.

“Truthfully, those early months after the German submission were, in many ways, more stressful than the darkest days of the Great War at sea, in my estimation. For while during the war the struggles of the Admiralty had been centered on maintaining our strength and efficiencies in our epic struggle to not only deny the foe free usage of the oceans of the world, but to maintain our freedom of movement and trade over those same waters even as they might attempt to halt us.

In those war years our challenges, once outside the scope of our enemy’s dark efforts, would be centered into the acceptance of new tactics, the defence of proven efforts, and the removal of theories found to be flawed. While in a few cases efforts would best described as challenged-not by the foe- but rather by the political and intra service politicking that was (and in some ways still prevalent) in the middle to upper ranks of the fleet, the bulk of our concerns were with the foe. Yet even with these challenges, we in the Admiralty could count on the support of both the government and people to help ease our burdens and responsibilities.

Yet, with the coming of the end of the war, our parameters were changed drastically. The beginning of the crumbling of our great wartime political coalition and the great Entente, in combination with the apparent lack of sufficient and initial obvious threats to our seaborne trade and communications would begin to alter the view that a strong Royal Navy would be paramount to our continued strength as an empire. Our new foe was no longer an enemy that was bent on destruction on the high seas, rather it was one who would set about striking down the fleet by attempting to choke off our fiscal need.

This new enemy would prove to be one that would attempt to deliver up the most callous of campaigns against us, and one that while would be brought to task, would deliver us into some of our most serious struggles of the Admiralty postwar, other factors would allow a more balanced approach soon enough. However, even with a calming of the waters so to speak, we in the Admiralty would need to work diligently to fine a long term balance between the needs of the fleet and the fiscal realities facing the nation and empire.”

- Reginald McKenna, First Lord of the Admiralty

First Lord McKenna would indeed stand down the foe, and through his efforts, he would set the Admiralty and the Royal Navy on a course that would see them through the next forty years and more. By his leadership and efforts, while the Royal Navy would see fiscal austerity programs, a concerted effort would be made to not only keep the fleet maintained in a proper manner, but to provide for a building program that would not only provide for a continual program of replacement, as well as a steady input of the newest technologies.

While McKenna would not be well thought of in some circles for his handling of the RN’s down-sizing immediately after the Great War, if one were to look at the end result of that period, the observation must be made that McKenna had overseen a remarkable program which, while sloughing off the least useful portions of the RN, he was able to set the RN on a course that would provide for an efficient, modern and flexible force that would if not always be a totally dominant force on the oceans of the world, it would be one that would cause other first class naval powers to take serious note of how their efforts might be impacted by the Royal Navy.

A goodly portion of McKenna’s thought process had sprung from the vastly changed political landscape across the globe in general, and in Europe in particular. As Great Britain was making a concerted effort to gather in not only the portions of Germany that had been designated as under her control in the interim, there were also the need to secure, stabilize and support areas as far distant as the new emerging nations of Finland, Poland and the Baltic states. Further south, Romania, Greece and Bulgaria were proving to be a diplomatic juggling act, while the once again crumbling Ottoman Empire would foist a whole new set of challenges on the diplomatic front as well.

In the case of her erstwhile major allies, the challenges were even more compounded, as both France and Russia were devolving into revolution of sorts, as internal political dynamics, no longer fettered by the war, had begun to move to the fore. Newly arrived on the scene, the Americans, would for all the world, take on the appearance of a spoiled and mouthy school boy, who in most cases, would rather than providing solid support, would in their stead, be not much better described than being a political nuisance in the ongoing attempts at parlay.

Being everything being as it was, McKenna’s clear head, and good understanding of matters naval, had allowed him to take the proper steps after the war’s end to not only secure the bulk of the remainder of the High Seas Fleet and move it to points under the aegis of the Royal Navy, but to as well secure not only the important German naval bases, but the key shipyards as well, along with design and certain manufacturing faculties.

The upside of this was that in short order, select of the surviving High Seas Fleet had been, or would be soon underway to British ports. Upon the arrival of these ships in British ports, the transfer crews were taken off, and returned to Germany. As well as these ships, various components, from the smallest to the largest, were also removed to Great Britain for research and design purposes. As well, one each of the remaining Bayern, Mackensen and the following improved Mackensen class super dreadnoughts, were to be completed and turned over to the British. The remaining ships building were to be scrapped, starting immediately, while progress on all smaller vessels would be suspended, too.

The down side for the Admiralty would be the constant visits, queries and demands from various nations regarding not only access to and information on, the High Seas Fleet, but their own demands for a share of the German fleet. At the same time, most, if not all of the respective allies were pressuring the British for knowledge on what they had learned during the war, as well as details on their new designs as well.

However, even as the requests, queries and demands had gone from a trickle to a flood, the British at all levels had become very reluctant to impart any more than just the most basic of information in response, and in several cases their replies’ might have been best described as approaching deceptive. As to the actual sharing out of the remnants of the High Seas Fleet, the British would quickly become down right obstinate in the short term.

While there were those who were rather put out at the British response, and many would complain as to the British actions, the Admiralty, with the full support of both the RN and the government, would maintain their position for the immediate future.

From the Admiralty’s chair, their reasoning for their position was fairly straight forward. Out of all the Entente members, the British had borne the brunt of the Great War at sea, and had paid a heavy price for their lessons learned. Added to that was the fact that while the Royal Navy was unarguably the largest and most developed fleet in the world at that point, a good portion of the RN was not only well worn and damaged, but to a significant degree, the fleet was not only obsolete, but worn out as well.

In recognizing these truths, the Admiralty also understood that it was not just the Royal Navy that was in this position, but that navies around the world were facing the same challenges. The last thing the Admiralty could afford at that point was another building race, particularly with the likes of the Unite States, which had the potential to well out build the Royal Navy in the moderate to long term, if the political will was present.

However, in keeping a tight grip on lessons learned and new technologies and war prizes, the Admiralty hoped to be able to better maintain their overall lead and superiority as they went into the post war years, while at the same time possibly causing other navies to hold off somewhat as they waited to see what and how the Royal Navy would deal with future upgrades and replacements.

As well, the Admiralty would begin to build a program that would become known unofficially as ‘the understated truth’, a system of presentation of the statistics and dimensional information on the Royal Navy would be somewhat muddled to better protect what the RN was actually doing or getting.

The program had in essence been started inadvertently with the design information on the Renown class battle cruisers, when their armoured protection had been publicized as similar to the preceding Tiger class, when in fact it had been significantly heavier.

That the British would move to such a degree from their previous peace time standards would be surprising to many when the extent of the deception would come out many years later, would be shocking to many historians. However, given the political situation at that time, the British efforts toward these deceptive measures were easily explained, for having just finished the Great War, which had started with the British enjoying a strong alliance with two of the World’s most powerful nations, now found itself trying to settle the post war peace while at the same time seeing their erstwhile allies devolving into something of a more questionable value.

At the same time, the British could see their American cousins beginning to flex their economic might, while at the same time eyeing up both the great Dominions and the rest of the empire as new potential economic targets, along with European markets as well.

As a result of all these outlying factors, Great Britain, long basing its foreign policy on keeping Europe from falling under the sway of one dominant Nation or group of nations, now found herself moving by default back toward a position resembling something more akin of ‘Splendid Isolation’, a position where the strength of the Royal Navy would be what would best protect the interests of the British Empire.

So it was that while the postwar fiscal realities would preclude massive building programs similar to those leading up to the Great War, political realities would see to a more austere building program that would continue at a steady pace, quietly enhanced by ‘The Understated Truth’.
 
Very good update! I'd assume that the following would happen;

All 12-inch gunned ships are to be retired/sold/scrapped with some of their guns going into storage or offered to defend ports bases on the coast around the Empire/Dominions.
All surviving ACRs are gone for scrap and any surviving protected cruisers as well. Maybe keep some of the 9.2's for coast defence as it was the standard coast defence gun used by the British.

I'm not sure about the CL's, you'd probably want to scrap or sell the mixed armament ones like the Glasgow class (2 x 6 inch and 10 x 4-inch IIRC) perhaps countries in South America or more friendly nations like Greece could be offered them for sale. Failing that, scrap them, put their guns in storage or at coast defence points on Malta and Gibraltar. And with relations between the UK and France souring by the hour it seems, perhaps think about increasing the defences of Portsmouth, Plymouth and other major ports. And maybe build some posts for bigger (say 12-inch guns which you'll have a surplus of now) weapons but don 't emplace them at Dover or something.

I'd also immediately retire the oldest destroyers/torpedo boats still in service, they are only good for work in the North Sea and Med, and now with eyes towards commerce protection, they are not much use for anything.
 
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with a rebirth of the French as a potential foe they are going to need a very heavy screening force for the channel. I would say older cruisers and destroyers get a stay of execution until the naval strike of whatever rfc/faa/raf are worked up.
 
with a rebirth of the French as a potential foe they are going to need a very heavy screening force for the channel. I would say older cruisers and destroyers get a stay of execution until the naval strike of whatever rfc/faa/raf are worked up.

Hmm good point, perhaps the crusiers though as the old torpedo boats are really that, they are old, keep overs from like 1908, very vulnerable nowdays.
 
Very good update! I'd assume that the following would happen;
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Agree with most of that but with a couple of twists due to France not being as friendly as OTL.
Some of the turrets of scrapped ships might be reused as port defenses as well as just guns. Depends on the circumstances but if you need a very wide arc of fire its simpler to drop the whole turret including hosts into the top of a concrete bunker.
If France is potentially hostile then a stronger channel/Med fleet is needed. These favor smaller light units than OTL designs. The old units will not be much good , too warn out but a cost conscious RN might reuse a far number of bits from them. So you could see small coastal destroyers and big MTB's in the Channel and Med with larger long range destroyers elsewhere. Other butterflies depend on what France builds but the assumption of Naval superiority will not be as present as OTL. UK will still push for Naval treaties ( probably harder than OTL ) but that needs France to sign up so again big butterflies possible.
 
There's going to be a fair few number of changes and options. The big challenges will be that a combination of trying to upgrade/replace/repair units within the bugetary restraints, while at the same time hopefully not starting another 'Great Race', and at the same time protecting their new technology and design advances, the RN will have its hands full.

Top it all of with a good dose of 'just who the hell are our friends?' , and it's going to provide for what Confucius referred to as 'interesting times'.
 
While the end of hostilities with Germany had brought about a somewhat more relaxed pace for the Royal Navy, and the massive demobilization and scrapping of the older units of the RN was well underway, for the active units of the fleet, things were very much still on a war footing. A substantial Mediterranean fleet had been reconstituted and dispatched, while in home waters, the vessels constituting the Home, Atlantic and Channel Fleets were very much in top form. As well, Foreign station squadrons were in place around the globe, with the newest being the Baltic Station, based out of the German port of Kiel, to keep a close watch over events in that area, as well as to show the flag along the coast of British occupied Northern Germany.

During the initial weeks and months after the end of hostilities, The Admiralty and Royal Navy had not only become very adept at deflecting inquiries, but as well had managed to master a process of disinformation in releasing bits of information on the events of the war at sea.

Of particular interest, was the Admiralty’s handling of the information relating to the details and strengths of their battle cruisers during the Great War. While the older I classes would not be included in the acclaim, the Lion’s, Queen Mary, Tiger and Renown classes would be played up as a war winning combination for the RN, while at the same time providing the necessary background information for the following Admiral class of battle cruisers.

This new class would be publicly presented to be simple series developments of the previous Renown class. With the official released figures, in combination with the judicious use of the press and intelligence sources, the world was arguably convinced that the RN had indeed discovered that there was a certain amount of beleiveability in Jackie Fisher’s decree that speed was indeed armour, particularly when used in combination with other unmentionable new tactical deployments developed by the RN.

While the effect of this rather outlandish attempt at subterfuge by the RN was lowkey for the most part, there were indeed many impacts from it, as most of the postwar navies of the world would do the utmost to discover the lessons learned by the Royal Navy, and now refused to share. The most important impact would be that while existing building would continue, there would be a certain degree of hesitation in the design process for some of the great naval powers, as these and other nations would try to discern just what the British were up to.

Most, if not all of the great naval powers were certainly skeptical of the British position on battle cruisers, and most would continue with their existing building programs, they would keep a close watch on the programs of the Royal Navy. The British attempts to mislead the other naval powers might well have came to nought, but for two events in particular.

The first was the announcement that the decision to scrap the badly damaged battle cruisers HMS Tiger and HMS Queen Mary had been rescinded. Instead, they would be properly reconstructed, taking advantage of lessons learned during the war. If the budgets would permit it, the last of the pre-war battle cruisers, HMS Princess Royal, would eventually see the same refit as her near sisters, Queen Mary and Tiger.

The second would be the announcement of the construction of what many would see as a modern take on an old standard in fleets around the world, the armoured cruiser, with initial orders for a quartet of large oversized cruisers, known as the Glorious class. These ships, weighing in at close to 18,000 tons displacement, a speed well over 30 knots, protected against guns up to six-inch calibre, and proposed armaments ranging from eight 9.2” guns, up to four 13.5” rifles. These ships would set naval design bureaus aflutter around the world. When questions arose as to the need for such ships, as well as the decision to repair the two badly damaged battle cruisers, the response was that it was simply a matter of economics, with the two damaged ships being proven commodities, while the four new large cruisers would simply be to address the need for ships that might complement the Royal Navy’s expanding battle cruiser program in a manner that would provide the needed ships while addressing the fiscal realities of the times.

The fact that the Admiralty was going ahead with their various programs centered on battle cruisers would give pause to the thinking of the other great naval powers of the time in the final result. As well, the lack of openness, and the diversity of programs ongoing in the Royal Navy at that time, would add further to the confusion as the RN’s foreign counter-parts would do their best to try to fully understand just what the British were actually up to, and how they might best counter these efforts.

For the most part, as the Admiralty and the Royal Navy would settle in to their new policies and programs, there realistically was no major concern as to worrying about the other naval giants, as most were for the most part friendly, if not already allies. The major threat to the RN, the High Seas Fleet, had been eliminated, and even as the last surviving units had been brought under direct British control, the German shipyards, and their associated industrial, design and research complex, had been occupied as well. For the most part, while the Royal Navy would remain as the paramount defender of the Realm, as far as offensive operations one might be better to think of them as Gunboat diplomacy writ large.

There were of course always latent concerns with the United States, however other than their ongoing building program, there had been no real changes to anything since the end of the war. For the most part, the Americans would pay an initial lip service to the post war European situation, however as they had played no real direct part in the conflict, most of their concerns would be politely dismissed as Great Britain, France, Belgium, Italy, Rumania and Russia would attempt to sort out the new European reality.

Further afield, the Japanese were at the moment contented to finish off the last of their current building program as well, before delving into the next step. Arguably, the Japanese were as equally interested in expanding their influence into China and Manchuria, as they were in fleet expansion. While their various new Pacific possessions recently gained at the expense of the German Empire would have to be properly absorbed as well, for the most part at that point in time, Japan would be focussing on their gaze to the west.

The Italians in their turn, were otherwise absorbed in securing their new holdings seized from the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, and at the same time deflecting the Serbs and others from challenging their holdings. Their efforts to gain ground in Albania as well was stymied for the most part, by a combination of both Greek and Montenegrin interests, and for the time being would be left to rest.

Further afield, the Turks were pressuring the Italians for the return of Rhodes and the other associated Dodecanese Islands that Italy had seized during their war with Turkey in 1913. While Italy had no real need of these islands at that point in time, they were somewhat reluctant to release their control of them, as there was the possibility of them being bartered off to Greece in exchange for consideration of their position on Albania, at least in Italian political theory.

The Italian fleet itself had for the most part, had an easy war, and further expansion at that point would not be high on the list of priorities for the Italian government for some time. As a result, the bulk of their budget would be concerned with basic upgrades for their units, as well as the salvage and integration of any of the Austrian Fleet that had fallen into their possession. Of real interest, there was a quartet of new battleships the Austrians had been constructing, the Ersatz Monarch class. While appreciating that the completion of all four was beyond hope, the Italians were hopeful that hopefully a pair of them might well be completed. These ships, along with a surviving pair of the Viribus Unitis Class- which might well yet find their way into Italian service, would be welcome additions.

The Russians in their turn, had a few dreadnoughts in service, with more in various stages of completion, however as the Russian Empire was crumbling around the fringes, while the mass of the empire had devolved into a civil war, all of the new construction had been suspended, and the fleet in being itself, was for the most part stationary and ineffectual, with certain units of the navy as far afield as Great Britain, Sweden and Greece, as these scattered units were used by various elements to flee from enemies within the Empire.

Of particular note, the light cruiser Aurora, which had escaped from St. Petersburg with the last cadre of Communist organizers and fighters from that great city, not long after the demise of Lenin and Broz, managed through a rather exciting voyage, to find their way to St. Nazaire, leading a small convoy of three tramps.

That the crew and their comrades were initially interned, and the cruiser and associated tramp steamers seized, was a given. However, with the state of the political situation in France by that point, it would not be long before these men had filtered away to join in the growing fight for France.


As to the French themselves, their navy was not much of a threat, for the time being anyway. Considering their losses and the fact that the war had brought about a near total shut down of their dreadnought construction program, followed by the massive levels of political unrest in the country, which would lead to outright rebellion, there was little fear of the French Navy in plans for the mid term.

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Given the current state of most of the other great naval powers of the world at that time, the Royal Navy was given a much-needed respite to apply further attention to just what was needed to maintain their superiority, if at all possible.

For the most part, the only real threat to the superiority of the Royal Navy would be the United States Navy, and that would only manifest if the government and people of that great nation might be induced somehow to demand the need to flex their muscles on the world stage. In that sort of scenario, the Royal Navy would have little hope of overcoming the USN in a building race.

The one advantage held by the Royal Navy was that while most of the other naval powers were still concentrating on the battleship as the key to naval dominance, the RN had come to see that the battleship could not operate to its full potential on its own. There were even pundits within the ranks of the Royal Navy, as early as the last days of the Great War, that were saying that the days of the massed battleship squadrons were over, and that they would be replaced by heterogenous squadrons of various types, that would be better able to respond to the various new threats that were even then coming to the fore. It would be in the more widespread acceptance of this philosophy in the Admiralty and RN, that would provide the key to the continuing domination of the Royal Navy.

The other naval powers, while curious as to the RN’s intentions for further development and reinforcement, would fall back on that old adage, and ‘prepare for the last war’, for the most part. While they would pay a certain lip service to the new technologies and their supporting elements, most would concentrate what efforts they could on further development and expansion of their battle lines.

A case in point would be the Americans, who were well set in their current program, which was turning out that excellent group of battleship classes, known collectively as the ‘Standards’. These big dreadnoughts, were capable and powerful vessels, with their only questionable aspect being a rather low top speed. However, in their chosen aspects of naval strategy and tactics, the USN held the view that this was not important, as they did not need to find their foe, as the foe would come to them.

In these ‘Standards’, the US Navy had arguably a battle fleet that could properly contest the Royal Navy’s claim to dominance at sea. To a degree, such claims were indeed worth discussion, were it not for the near total lacking of supporting forces to see that these fine battle wagons were properly screened, scouted for and succoured. For while the USN had these battleships that were truly second to none for their time, there were few cruisers that might be considered modern that could operate with them. The USN destroyers were being turned out in large numbers, and while good designs, they were becoming somewhat dated, and were not the best for deep ocean work, when compared with their RN contemporaries.

Examination of other aspects of the USN would show similar disparities and shortfalls, and while the Royal Navy was indeed far from perfect, its much better-balanced composition, would serve it much better in the event of any supposed conflict.

For the most part, it was the same for most, if not all, other navies of the world. Each of them would do their utmost to acquire the most powerful dreadnoughts they could afford, in many cases with little concern to the actual operations and well being of their naval service. The most extreme of these, the nations of South America, would find that in some cases the actual operational expenses of one or two dreadnought types would have a calamitous effect on their economies, that would not be easily solved. For the larger powers, this would not be quite so obvious, however there would still be negative dividends for naval programs that went out of control.

In the case of the Royal Navy, given the situation in the world in general, in combination with the actual state of the Navy itself, there was a certain need for an ongoing program of building, rebuilding, refit, repair, and acquisition. As well, there would be the need to address and embrace the several new technologies that had entered the fray during the Great War, and make sure that a measure of proper control and development was maintained over each one of these. So, by default, even with the need to procure new dreadnought types, the general perception of the Royal Navy’s continuing building program would be that it was moderate at best, and that for the most part, would have in turn, a moderating influence on the other naval powers.

Along with these programs, the combined efforts of the government, Admiralty and the Royal Navy would embrace their new policy of what we would now call disinformation, or as it came to be known at that time, ‘The Understated Truth’. While even just the consideration of such a concept, let alone it’s actual implementation, would be somewhat foreign to British sensibilities of the day, given the situation Great Britain found itself in at that point, those that needed to gritted their teeth and worked their way into it.

While for the most part, the stretching of the truth that the procedures entailed were not as bad as some envisaged, the whole process would never be mastered as properly as it might have been. There would be leaks, conflicts in the information presented, and even differences in descriptions of how aspects of the RN’s new programs would be deployed, in some instances the differences would approach the ludicrous. However, being that as it may, the system worked, leaving those who were trying to better understand the Royal Navy’s peace time activities standing on the wrong foot, more often than not.

Probably more importantly, it would eventually set a pattern whereby other navies would, while watching the RN, put little stock into their activities until said activities were seen to be actual procedures and equipment of the fleet.

In the words of Admiral Hugh Rodman:

“To watch the Royal Navy in those years after the Great War was an unusual experience to say the least. While our contacts in the RN would always be at their best with us, and most supportive and reasonably forthcoming, it would soon become apparent that what they were being forthcoming with, might only be a rather modified version of the actual truth of the matter, to put it mildly.

I must confess, that the more sources involved, the more confusing events would sometimes become, as everyone of our sources might well have their own take on what their navy was actually up to; and after a full examination of all sources to finally secure the proper information and act on it, we would find they were doing something completely different.

The situation would become so convoluted that in some ways, the RN would be able to maintain leads in certain areas of technological development, even when on the odd occasion they actually shared it with us a direct truth. We would either have to double check their offered opinions, or wait to see them implement them themselves, before we would try them for ourselves.”

While there was a certain level of frustration with the British on these matters, most would put up with it, as eventually the truth would be thrashed out of the chaff, it was just that the procedure was dragged out by events, as it were.

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The months immediately following the end of the Great War, would see major changes in the deployments of the Royal Navy, as the North Sea suddenly moved from a focal point of the war at sea, to a back water. Admiral Hood would take the Renowns, Queen Elizabeth’s and Revenge’s, along with requisite escort and support craft, to the Mediterranean, where they would help steady the well jangled nerves of Greece, Bulgaria, Rumania and others in the unsettled Eastern Med and Balkans. As well, the presence of this fleet would put pause to potential adventures by both Italy and France for the interim, while at the same time assuring British interests there that all was well for the time being.

Further afield, a small squadron centered on HMS Canada, HMS Eagle, HMS New Zealand and a slathering of cruisers and destroyers were cruising about from Columbo to Auckland, for the most part just showing the flag.

Closer to home the remainder of the active dreadnoughts of the Royal Navy were divided among the Atlantic, Channel and Home fleets, and under the overall command of Admiral Cradock.

The Station squadrons had been reconstituted as well, and were set about on their respective duties, with the new Baltic Station basing out of Kiel, and helping keep the peace in the dark waters off the north coast of Germany.

As well as regular duties, there were several new training commands that were hard at work developing their trades and skills, while at the same time there were those who were busy with the retirement, decommissioning and scrapping of those steady old ships that were now overdue for the breakers bar.

Within the halls of the Admiralty, the pace of activities there were still very much on a warlike pace, as everyone from the First Lord down were hard at work, seeing to the needs and demands of the fleet, while at the same time trying to keep all things desired within the allowance provided by the government.

Even while the rundown and removal of the old, worn out and obsolete portions of the Royal Navy was underway in earnest, so too the continuing building program was being modified to better suit the new realities of an economy moving toward more of a peacetime basis, while at the same time dealing with the ugly realities of both the costs of the Great War and the build-up leading up to it.

While there were those who, with their heads placed firmly in the sand, proposed that the need for a Royal Navy and other military assemblages on the scale even now being drawn back to was superfluous, the political realities of the time still spoke to a need for proper maintenance of the Royal Navy.

Realizing that the best hope of mitigating a proper solution was in a properly thought out, yet fiscally prudent process, First Lord McKenna would begin to hammer out a responsible policy whereby the Royal Navy could be kept in good form, without breaking the bank.

One of his first steps was to lay out a consistent process of building for the ships of the Royal Navy that would allow not only for a steady flow of new units to the fleet, but would also secure and maintain the infrastructure and pool of needed talent to provide for the realm into the future. As well, funding would need to be found for the ongoing research and development that went part in parcel with the maintenance of the cutting edge for the RN.

With the last of the Renown class battle cruisers now in service, McKenna had managed to push through approval on the next class, the Admiral’s. This class, reported as battle cruisers, were in fact the first of the next stage of development in Dreadnought design for the Royal Navy.

While resembling their immediate predecessors, there was marked differences in both the design and philosophy of these ships. With linear improvements in armoured protection publicly reported as somewhat better than the previous Renown’s, along with a new eight-gun main battery reported as the 15” mk II, and a new turreted secondary battery among other things, these new vessels would be arguably the most powerful of their type in the world. With a speed comparable to the Renown’s, they would maintain the tactical advantages held by those previous ships.

What wasn’t made public however, was that while these so-called battle cruisers were improvements on the previous Renown’s, those improvements were much more than linear in focus, and in fact were very different designs. To start with, the armour layout and implementation was not the old variable design, but rather followed the new principles known as ‘All or Nothing’. With a base thickness of 14”, and more substantial deck protection, their armour protection would be among the best in the world.

As to their main battery, what was being reported as the 15” MkII was in fact the new 16.5” Mk I, which had grown out of Jackie Fisher’s large light cruiser program. Developed from the 15” in the same manner as the 15” had been developed from the 13.5”, this would prove to be a highly successful weapon. The speed would remain the same as the preceding Renown’s, however at 28 knots designed speed it was felt to be more than adequate.

While referred to officially as a battle cruiser, the Admiralty and RN knew full well that the design was indeed a fast battleship. While realizing that the secrets of the design would not be held forever, it was hoped that they might last long enough to keep advantage over potential foes.

While the Admiralty had desired four of these ships, only two would be approved initially, with both being laid down in the spring of 1917. That they were begun so quickly was due to the fact that an earlier design which had been approved for construction, had been cancelled the previous summer, just after the Battle of Jutland, and as part of the materials and funding was still available, that would expedite the beginning of these ships. As well, these two new vessels would appropriate two of the names from the original class, and be known as Anson and Hood.

While the Admiralty was able to get these two fast battleships approved, it was mainly due to the previous funding and material placement for the four ships of the original class, and as with McKenna’s plans for future construction, no more than one a year might be authorized, unless extenuating circumstances prevailed.

With the rest of the proposed building program, it would become very much a regulated order of events, with a half squadron of 2 cruisers, a squadron of four light cruisers, a flotilla of 16 destroyers (including the Flotilla Leader), a half flotilla of 8 submarines, a half flotilla of 8 escort sloops, and fleet auxiliaries as needed and discussed. Aircraft Carrying ships would be dealt with on an individual basis, until such a time as they might be better understood as to usage. It was planned to have the new system in place by 1918 or 1919. While this format would work well, it would find itself at the mercy of changing government budgetary necessities, but for the most part would deliver good result over the years.

It would be understood that from time to time there would be need to add or alter the numbers of ships required, and procedures were put in place for that as well.

In the interim, new construction would be provided by the last of the emergency war programs, with some deletions and additions, as well as specific orders, as per the Admiral class. Most cruisers currently contracted for would be completed, as would destroyers. For submarines, there would be some alterations, with only four of the planned K class, and 16 of the small R class to be added to the fleet. Outstanding orders for the various sloops and other escorts would be halved, while minesweepers would continue to build for the time being.

As well, there would be a comprehensive program put in place to ensure needed repairs, refits and upgrades would be able to be constituted in a timely manner. As well as this program, a post war survey would be done on all ships that had sustained major damages during the war, to see if any of that damage would require a more well-rounded repair or if that vessel might be precluded from further service.

The main beneficiaries of this program were presumed to be The Iron Duke’s, the surviving Orion’s and King George V class, the Revenge class and the Queen Elizabeth’s. However, as a study of its practicality, the damaged and previously earmarked for scrapping battle cruisers HMS Queen Mary and HMS Tiger, would be the first capital ships to be ran through this program. By the end of 1917, both of these ships would be seen to be stripped down to main deck level, with all their remaining barbettes removed and their hulls and engineering spaces thoroughly gone over, and they would be ready for their rebuilding.

Leaving off with the traditional battle platforms of the Royal Navy, it is time to look in on some of the more innovative applications the RN was turning to. Of particular interest was the provision of aircraft carrying vessels, that were capable of not only operating with the fleet, but carrying enough airplanes as to remain effective for extended periods. That the existing carriers had indeed performed yeoman’s service while with the fleet, and continue to do so for the moderate term, it was well appreciated that something better must be arranged, and be provided in sufficient numbers for proper deployments.

As to the actual ships that would operate the aircraft for the Royal Navy, the original flush deck modifications would serve as well as could be expected in the early years. The planned further large-scale conversions of the remaining newer armoured cruisers, was cut back at the end of the war to just three vessels, and even these conversions were no where as elaborate as the original pair were. In an effort to save money, this trio of conversions were very much a bastard creation, with much smaller hangar space, and with it, lower numbers of operating aircraft.

The conversions themselves were much rougher in comparison, with the funnels simply trunked into an ungainly pair which in turn were moved toward the starboard side, behind a portion of the original bridge structure, which was salvaged and moved in a similar manner.

The most interesting point of these conversions was that while the forward flying off deck was aligned with the axis of the hull, with a covered hatch to access the hangar deck behind it, the aft portion of the flying deck was placed on a slight angle, due to the placement of the funnels and bridge. All told, while having less capability, and probably being safe to say that they were three of the ugliest vessels to ever fly the white ensign, they would provide good service for their tenure with the fleet, until such a time as more properly designed ships would relieve them.

As to those properly designed, and more effective, carrier designs, plans were already in the works. While in their short time with the fleet, both Warrior and Defence, had shown both the advantages of carriers with the speed to operate with the fleet, but at the same time exposed many limitations, most based on the limiting factors of their conversions, and their older basic design. While these factors would limit their finding their full potential, plans were already in the works that would deliver more workable and practical solutions to address the issues at hand.

Even as the two converted cruisers were just entering service, the beginnings of a more ordered solution had begun. The First Sea Lord at the Time, Battenburg, had seized upon Fisher’s hull designs for his large light cruisers, and even now the first of a modified quartet of them was under construction, under the guise of being completed to their original design. When completed in the next 12 to 36 months, they would provide the Royal Navy with a airborne capability unthought of mere months before, and hopefully with a tactical advantage that would set them ahead of other navies for some time to come.

For while in the interim, the squadrons assigned to the existing carriers would consist of basically a fighter and recon force, and only carry the Sopwith Spearfish torpedo bombers for very special applications. However, with the new Courageous class carriers, with their enhanced storage and maintenance facilities, along with better storage for munitions and fuel, the improved version of the original Sopwith torpedo bombers that had had their debut at Jutland, would be back at sea in numbers to be of good use in further potential conflicts.

As well as these new carriers, two additional smaller carriers were being converted from two uncompleted liners that had been sitting in British shipyards. While somewhat better than the older cruiser conversions in size and layout, they would not be as effective as the more properly designed Courageous class. However, they would be well suited for working not only with the older, slower portions of the fleet, they would allow for platforms to assist in training of new pilots and crews as well. Known as HMS Argus and HMS Mercury, both of these vessels would be completed and working up by years end.

With the end of the war would come various austerity measures in hopes of saving money for the treasury. One of these would call for the absorption of the RNAS into the RFC, leaving the RN without its own internally controlled airborne operations.

While the RFC had excellent arguments based on their efforts on the Western Front and elsewhere during the war, and would back that up with using whatever political clout they could arrange, McKenna, with the full support of the RN behind him, would not be budged, and in the end, complete control of the Royal Navy Air Service, would stay with the Admiralty and the RN. As well, while still on a high note, McKenna would see that all coastal and over water patrolling would be undertaken by the Royal Navy as well. Initially this good work would be done by specialized RNAS squadrons already in existence for that task, however in the not too distant future those squadrons, and others would be brought together under a new aegis, known as Coastal Command. While still under Admiralty control, it would operate somewhat more autonomously from the RNAS.

The RNAS itself would develop quickly into a well run and organized service, with training facilities for everything from communications, through maintenance and on to tactics. The Service would be organized into various squadrons by type, and those squadrons, or flights and even sections from them, would be delegated for duty at either seaborne or shore based installations.

While the RFC, which would eventually become the RAF, would to a certain degree become somewhat adversarial of their naval counterparts, in actual fact both services would get on well at operational levels, particularly in distant deployments.

Even at these early days of both services, there was a certain comradery which developed, mainly due to both of these services being played down by certain elements in both the army and Royal Navy.

One of the last points to touch base on was the Royal Navy’s anti-submarine warfare division. While all new destroyers and sloops were joining the fleet with their detection equipment in place, there was a major program to get existing destroyers and certain escorts converted as well. These conversions were only being provided to those units that were earmarked for continuing service, while older units set for reserve or scrapping would not see this equipment.

Along with their shipborne aviation programs, the RN’s submarine detection system would be their most secretive, and the Admiralty and navy would go to great lengths to protect their secrets, carefully husbanding their knowledge on these matters in such a way that even if other naval powers knew that the detection system was a sound based apparatus, it would be a long time before any competitor would create something similar.

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An excellent update and a 16.5 inch gunned hood with all or nothing..yes please! This is darn well written and very logical!
 
Italy will try to get back in her service the two Viribus Unitis class and with the addition of the (at the moment in construction) Francesco Caracciolo class she will substitute the various pre-dreadnough class with dreadnought type on a 1-1 ratio, more is difficult due to monetary reason, the Monarch class surviving ships will be scrapped and sold...except the gun that will be assigned to the italian army; the only way that i see they will be kept depend on how advanced is their construction...if there is enough money and the endevour is not too problematic or long, a couple of them can be finished and retained instead of the Viribus Unitis type
The only real big change (not including the construction of the Caracciolo) is that the Battleship Leonardo da Vinci (if exploded as OTL) will be rebuild and put in service again.

Albania will be tense, it was already divided between Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Italy in the various treaty of WWI; the big change from OTL is an Italy much much less war damaged and tired, plus a Wilson a lot less important and influential than OTL...so it's Rome that had the advantage here, plus a lot of booths in the ground already, not that this will not mean that the situation in Albania will be a bed of rose as the locals will not really accept well to be partitioned but the various powers unlike OTL had more will to stay (and put down the various rebellion...but better remember that at the moment Albania is more a confederation of clan than a real modern nation).
I personally doubt that Montenegro will be very hostile to Italy, not only for the dinastic tie but also due to the balkan nation needing support to block Serbia attempt to bring her forcibly in the Jugoslavian project...some political violence will be probably unavoidable and for this reason they will try to get italian support as OTL...Serbia on the other hand.

The Dodecanese Island were retained even because the Ottomans never stopped to support the Senussi rebellion as by treaty; sure using them as a bargain chip (except Rodi) for Greece was on the plan even OTL (neutral zone on the Albanian border, support for the italian effort in Albania and a naval base in Smyrne)...what the italian goverment will decide depend on the general sitaution on Libya and Albania so to decide who's more needed.

Seem that the post about the peace negotiation and the fate of A-H and Germany has been deleted
 
Italy will try to get back in her service the two Viribus Unitis class and with the addition of the (at the moment in construction) Francesco Caracciolo class she will substitute the various pre-dreadnough class with dreadnought type on a 1-1 ratio, more is difficult due to monetary reason, the Monarch class surviving ships will be scrapped and sold...except the gun that will be assigned to the italian army; the only way that i see they will be kept depend on how advanced is their construction...if there is enough money and the endevour is not too problematic or long, a couple of them can be finished and retained instead of the Viribus Unitis type
The only real big change (not including the construction of the Caracciolo) is that the Battleship Leonardo da Vinci (if exploded as OTL) will be rebuild and put in service again.

Albania will be tense, it was already divided between Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Italy in the various treaty of WWI; the big change from OTL is an Italy much much less war damaged and tired, plus a Wilson a lot less important and influential than OTL...so it's Rome that had the advantage here, plus a lot of booths in the ground already, not that this will not mean that the situation in Albania will be a bed of rose as the locals will not really accept well to be partitioned but the various powers unlike OTL had more will to stay (and put down the various rebellion...but better remember that at the moment Albania is more a confederation of clan than a real modern nation).
I personally doubt that Montenegro will be very hostile to Italy, not only for the dinastic tie but also due to the balkan nation needing support to block Serbia attempt to bring her forcibly in the Jugoslavian project...some political violence will be probably unavoidable and for this reason they will try to get italian support as OTL...Serbia on the other hand.

The Dodecanese Island were retained even because the Ottomans never stopped to support the Senussi rebellion as by treaty; sure using them as a bargain chip (except Rodi) for Greece was on the plan even OTL (neutral zone on the Albanian border, support for the italian effort in Albania and a naval base in Smyrne)...what the italian goverment will decide depend on the general sitaution on Libya and Albania so to decide who's more needed.

Seem that the post about the peace negotiation and the fate of A-H and Germany has been deleted

Yes, I dropped these portions ... I had several options to use, and decided to go with a straight up German surrender.

As to Italy ...
With the end of the war, Italy is probably sitting rather well, territorialy speaking, holding not only the AH Littoral, a sizeable chunk of the Dalmatian coast, and South Tyrol, but as well a goodly portion of not only Croatia, but other provinces to the north ... dont have my notes up for the complete list, but considering OTL, it's sizeable.

Italy's already facing down the Serbs, the Serbs are rather pouty with Italy's success ...

Albania:
The Greeks have already snaffled up North Upirus, The place is a bit of a muddle, but I'll be dealing with the Balkans again a few posts from now, to gather in the flock so to speak.

The Italians here are sitting on the Dodecanese for the time being, but there is outside pressure to return them ... whether it happens or not, remains to be seen.

Turkey remained neutral, but there's some 'interesting times' coming to those parts as well.

As to the Austrian naval units in Italian 'care', I haven;t decided their end fate yet, some may become integrated, but a lot depends on other factors. As to the building Italian BB's, here again it will be more based on fiscal realities whether all, some or none of them get completed. Italy is not flush with gold at this point, and they are working to try to maintain and keep the territories they hold, in whatever fashion can be put together.

Italy is in an interesting position, They've had a rather more successful war, they've told the French where to get off, and the British are in something approaching kids gloves mode with them ... The Italians are not necessariy on easy street, but if they play their cards right .... we'll see ...

With France crumbling, Russia in the throws of a SOCIALIST event horizon, and Uncle Sam not having the same interest under President Hughs as opposed to Wilson, Italy has the potential to be one of the more solid players in the new Europe, if cards are played right. Great Britain needs to find stable governments to partner with, and Italy would be on the short list at this point ... whether I can put it together, remains to be seen.

The political basis of the postwar European map is going to be something different ... a divided Germany, A diminutive Hapsburg Empire, a more stable and strong Balkans ...Poland, Hungary and Romania with possibly bright futures .. a socialist Russia that might eventually really care for themselves ... and France ... well, in France's case here, I needed a bogey man of sorts, and well, France is it!

If it fits together reasonably well, it will be initially a dream come true for the British .... a Europe free from being dominated by any one nation ... not that the British will be in any real position to set the course either .... and sometimes you can wish for something, and you get it .... then you have to live with it.

Basically , everyone has bitten off more than they can chew, some did it at the start, others are doing it later. Some will settle down, while others will fume (I was going to say fester, but I wouldn't want to offend our illustrious cohort!)....

Anyway, I digress ...

Italy will do well,and so will a lot of other nations, and not just in Europe .... as much as I have been told that this is a Britwank (lol ... I haven't got to Ireland yet .... and look over there ... IT'S INDIA!!!), the good wanks will be for other places other than Britain. Great Britain (and with her the Royal Navy), are marvelous tools to use as a focal point change the world, and of course, the British will do okay... but who says it has to be all about Great Britain?
 
Great update. The future of the RN looks healthy ( not so for any potential enemy)☺

In theory it does look healthy, however the times they are a-changing .... and what might look good today, might not be quite so rosy tomorrow ... their will be challenges ....

... you know, I've always had a fondness for Motor Gun Boats .... "SET CHARGES FOR SHALLOW!"
 
An excellent update and a 16.5 inch gunned hood with all or nothing..yes please! This is darn well written and very logical!

... Just remember, in this timeline, HMS Anson is the class leader and the dance hall darling, so to speak ... unless something exceptional happens, this HMS Hood will just be 'one of the wall flowers' .... just imagine .... not!
 
... Just remember, in this timeline, HMS Anson is the class leader and the dance hall darling, so to speak ... unless something exceptional happens, this HMS Hood will just be 'one of the wall flowers' .... just imagine .... not!

A++ Extra heresy!

Re the Italian navy, they have 6 of their own Dreadnoughts of which 5 are very modern and have seen next to no service whilst the Dante's layout basically precludes any form of refitting that's not a massive and expensive rebuild. The AH Vibrus Unitus class were well armed but their torpedo defence or more accurately their near complete lack of it is shockingly bad. They were also cramped and suffered from a big case of trying to fit a litre into a quarter cup. Their guns though were apparently superb. I'd keep a hold of the class more to keep them out of AH hands, study the guns and then put them somewhere ashore round a naval base or two and scrap the hulls some time in the early 20's. The same with the Erzat Monarchs, take them off AH hands, scrap them/use as gunnery practice/testing. Both classes would have stuff you'd have to either alter to italian parts or make the AH items which just increases their running costs and Italy's not got that big a budget to splash.
If I was the Italian navy commander i'd want to focus on completing the Francesco Caracciolo's, they are easily the equal of a QE type ship and if they can get their top speed of 28 knots they are a fast battleship like the OTL Hoods. Even if you can only get two complete thats a big bonus.

The RN's large cruisers sound interesting, I'd assume at 18,000 tons they are more akin to what the I's should have been, a large, fast armoured cruiser with guns that can deal with cruisers and not make Admirals and Politicians go "Lets put them in a gun battle against large vessels."
An armament of say 8 x 9.2s in superfiring mounts and with the big 'ol engines taking up a big chunk of the room, oil firing is a must for that kind of speed, you're just not going to do it with coal fired engines.

And its good they just turned Fisher's follies into carriers from the off. They are not the best hulls in the world for conversion but they will more than suffice.
 
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Yes, I dropped these portions ... I had several options to use, and decided to go with a straight up German surrender.
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Italy and the Balkans: well, i expect that the italian occupation troops will feel a 'little' uneasy, already in OTL there were anti-italian riots and terrorist attack in their occupation zone as the slavs wanted become part of Yugoslavia. In the end, even in nobody in Rome like it the army will be recalled and the zone allowed to unite with the Serb as it will be too costly in blood, tresure and diplomatic currency to oppose it...unless there is a strong pressure both external and local for a riunification with the remnant Hapsburg Empire in some sort (doubtfoul).
Said that, with the italian army and goverment in a such better position and no Wilson that unilatery proclame that all the secret treaty are null and void, Italy will demand the full application of the Treaty of London (or ITTL equivalent); the good thing is that Rome it's in a much better situation internally and can allow Fiume to follow the original project and remain in Hapsburg possession or be assigned to Jugoslavia (even if a at least a diplomatic attempt to gain it will be done...but it will be more for internal consumption and to pressure the Serbs for other thing than for real).
In any case the future for all the new italian annexed zone there will be a lot of italianization and even some forced expulsion, or at least a great encouragement to leave the place for some slavic land.

Albania and Montenegro will be the field were a miniuturizated version of the Great Game will be played, in the end and due to the general situation...Italy can allow Serbia to annex...ehm sorry, to allow the local to vote for enter Jugoslavia but keeping Vlore and some surrounding territory for a viable defenc due to the great strategic importance. All that in exchange for Montenegro to remain independent and in the italian sphere of influence...ITTL Serbian/Jugoslavian big problem is that Italy is one of the big boys and so they need someone that support them; OTL was Wilson that was extremely pro-Jugoslavian but ITTL i don't know as only Britain remain and if Rome doesn't pressure Greece too much i doubt that they will consider their interest menaced.

Frankly IMVHO if the POrte really stop to support the Senussi, the italian goverment can easily been convinced to give them back as by treaty; while giving them to Greece depend on the situation in Albania.

Italy at the moment will surely look at the situation in France with a lot of worries as the enstablishment will fear that any future problem will leak here and so the border will be heavily surveilled...move that will not really make happy a lot of soldiers that hoped to go back home. On the other hand many in the goverment will see all that as an occasion to extract concession from Paris, regarding the italian minority in Tunisia and the colonial border.
In general, yes, seem that Italy as come out of the war pretty well; sure there are been a lot of expense but not unlike OTL and so in general the situation is not that problematic and both socialist and fascist will found a much less fertile terrain for their ideology...but in any case the Liberal era is almost over and victorious or not some change are in order, the new guard aka the great popular party are coming and needed to be dealt, frankly i expect a period of turbulent and even violent politics but still nothing like OTL post-war (hit the road Benny and don't came back no more).

An hostile France can 'force' the British to search an ally that will help them, not only counteract the french on land but also give them naval support and Italy seem to have all desired traits
 
... Just remember, in this timeline, HMS Anson is the class leader and the dance hall darling, so to speak ... unless something exceptional happens, this HMS Hood will just be 'one of the wall flowers' .... just imagine .... not!
Yes because that's what we should focus on with this excellent TL.
 
Hi All

Just a quick update to say that I'm still fiddling with the next four posts, have finally found some maps that I can work with for the land campaigns, as well as working on a bunch of older historical reference style tactical presentation maps, for the naval battles (these are basically hand drawn, inked , then scanned), select photo's, and finishing up the pre-war introduction, along with more detailed bits on the early battles.

The story is just settling into 1917 right now, and I'm hoping to have an ending in the 1918 to 1919 period, after which I can choke through a final edit, then set it all out in the Writer's Forum, or Finished Timelines ... and start looking at the next project .... heaven forbid, a sequel ... hopefully it will not take as long as this ...

... thanks for hanging in there!

... a couple of replies to comments

Steamboy,
The Large Cruisers are the Follies ... may have to edit the displacement ... the large cruisers presentation was more to throw other navies off the scent that the RN is actually building a somewhat more purpose built CV, a bit of a head start of sorts. A side benefit will be just how this bit of subterfuge might well impact some different international thought and confusion on cruisers and carriers ... I have to have some antebellum fun in the next project, and BB's/BC's trend toward dominating ... and more can afford cruisers ...

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LukeDalton
My take on Italy and the Balkans will be along shortly ... its a very delicate issue to sort through ... I agree that Italy will not be able to digest everything it now holds, but there are some other options that will come into play. Add in Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and others and it will hopefully be interesting.

As to Turkey, well there's a storm brewing, it will be based on the principle that if other's are doing it, well we can too ...


... I'll get more up in the next few days

Thanks again
 
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