On 1186, a duke was sick and later imprisoned by his father - on another side of the globe a man who wanted to create an empire and was starting to have a name for himself dies due to a sandstorm ~ Anonymous
Last edited:
The Duke not the Khan
- Thread starter kasumigenx
- Start date
I
I
On the latter part of 1186, Geoffrey, Duke of Brittany would be under a fever which would prevent him from joining the jousting for two weeks, he would recover from his sickness, afterwards he would rebel from his father causing him to be captured and to be in captivity with his mother for a few years till his father died leaving his pregnant wife, Constance of Brittany to fend for herself, she would be very sad the disappearance of her own husband who is imprisoned by his own father.
Meanwhile on the same year in 1186 a man named Temujin who had just united the mongols would die in a sandstorm in Mongolia, who had just had a son named Jochi had died he had not achieved his goal of uniting the Mongols, he would be mostly unknown to History, shockingly his life would just be left as a footnote on history eventhough this man was very ambitious as they say on the Mongolian epics.[Point of Divergence]
Constance of Brittany would give birth to a son she named as Arthur who she names as heir on March 1187, King Henry would insist that Arthur will be sent to him since he is his grandson and the son of his son who is currently his captive, while on 1186 Richard would leave England and nullify his betrothal to Alix of France who he will force to marry to John and he had set his eyes to marry Isabella of Jerusalem as soon as he laid his eyes on her, Richard would negotiate and marry his nephew, Henry of Champagne to Berengaria of Navarre, one of his choices for bride to marry.
Berengaria would arrive in Champagne on the early part of 1187 accompanied by Marie of France, Berengaria would be known as the Duchess of Champagne after the marriage, the people would wonder what would have happened if Richard himself married Berengaria would Navarre be incorporated to the Angevin Empire, since Henry the later son of Berengaria with Henry would inherit Navarre himself as a middle-aged man, she would give birth to a daughter named Eleanor of Champagne on the early part of 1188 as her first child and followed by a son named Henry b. 1190.
It was revealed Henry II of England was the one who encouraged Richard to leave for the crusade and get Isabella’s hands, this move infuriated the captive Eleanor of Aquitaine, Isabella was more taken with Humphrey of Toron who she loved.
On the latter part of 1186, Geoffrey, Duke of Brittany would be under a fever which would prevent him from joining the jousting for two weeks, he would recover from his sickness, afterwards he would rebel from his father causing him to be captured and to be in captivity with his mother for a few years till his father died leaving his pregnant wife, Constance of Brittany to fend for herself, she would be very sad the disappearance of her own husband who is imprisoned by his own father.
Meanwhile on the same year in 1186 a man named Temujin who had just united the mongols would die in a sandstorm in Mongolia, who had just had a son named Jochi had died he had not achieved his goal of uniting the Mongols, he would be mostly unknown to History, shockingly his life would just be left as a footnote on history eventhough this man was very ambitious as they say on the Mongolian epics.[Point of Divergence]
Constance of Brittany would give birth to a son she named as Arthur who she names as heir on March 1187, King Henry would insist that Arthur will be sent to him since he is his grandson and the son of his son who is currently his captive, while on 1186 Richard would leave England and nullify his betrothal to Alix of France who he will force to marry to John and he had set his eyes to marry Isabella of Jerusalem as soon as he laid his eyes on her, Richard would negotiate and marry his nephew, Henry of Champagne to Berengaria of Navarre, one of his choices for bride to marry.
Berengaria would arrive in Champagne on the early part of 1187 accompanied by Marie of France, Berengaria would be known as the Duchess of Champagne after the marriage, the people would wonder what would have happened if Richard himself married Berengaria would Navarre be incorporated to the Angevin Empire, since Henry the later son of Berengaria with Henry would inherit Navarre himself as a middle-aged man, she would give birth to a daughter named Eleanor of Champagne on the early part of 1188 as her first child and followed by a son named Henry b. 1190.
It was revealed Henry II of England was the one who encouraged Richard to leave for the crusade and get Isabella’s hands, this move infuriated the captive Eleanor of Aquitaine, Isabella was more taken with Humphrey of Toron who she loved.
Last edited:
Interestingly, such an early POD may lead to a strong mongol empire regardless. Jamukha has no real opposition in this TL and whilst not as hypercompetent as Temujin, he may be in a stronger diplomatic position amongst neighbouring empires due to his pedigree amongst mongol societies aristocratic ties.
Oh definitely... well maybe.
I mean I agree that he is unlikely to expand to the west (at least in the capitalised sense, I mean naturally in consolidating his rule he would go slightly west), but neither really did Temujin. It was under his son Ogodei's rule that they expanded into Europe, and even that was unlikely. Batu Khan somehow managed to convince the Kurultai to expand to the west over conquering India.
So sure, Jamukha himself has little reason to, but there is plenty enough wiggle room that (if you wished), you could have a similar expansion happen.
II
II
After the marriage John, would be known as the Duke of Vexin, Alix would be a very kind bride and she was a very dutiful bride, that she would forget her father in law, Henry who she had an affair before.
Compared to Henry, John had more sexual vigor than her previous love, Henry, Alix had an illegitimate son with Henry whose identity was secret to the outside of the Royal Family, Alix was a known princess who had a bad reputation in the English court and Eleanor of Aquitaine is against the marriage between Alix and John, that is said to be the cause of the great discord between Eleanor and her son John.
On 1188, Joan of England would give birth to another, child a girl named Eleonora of Sicily, the pregnancy was her second since she gave birth to a son named Bohemond earlier born 6 years before Eleanora was born, Eleonora was named after Joan’s mother Eleanor of Aquitaine, the child was a waited another child for the Queen of Sicily.
When Richard would arrive in Jerusalem on 1188 he found out that Isabella is a young and defiant princess and not willing to marry him and wanted to stay married with Humphrey of Toron, apparently, her mother and stephfather would be against the marriage with the lowly noble and would want Richard, Duke of Aquitaine or Conrad of Montferrrat instead and want Isabella to divorce her husband.
Isabella's stepfather wanted Isabella divorced from Humphrey due to Humphrey. Isabella resisted, but her mother put her under pressure. Maria Komnena also swore that Baldwin IV had forced the eight-year-old Isabella to marry Humphrey of Toron, whose effeminacy was well known. Before long, the papal legate, Ubaldo Lanfranchi, Archbishop of Pisa, and Philip of Dreux, Bishop of Beauvais, annulled the marriage of Isabella and Humphrey. Baldwin of Forde, Archbishop of Canterbury, forbade her to marry Conrad, stating that both Isabella and Conrad would commit adultery if they married. However, Baldwin of Forde died on the late 1190, Richard of Aquitaine and Isabella of Jerusalem would marry soon after the divorce.
On 1190, Henry would die due to declining health and the message would reach to Richard on 1191 after his marriage with Isabella prompting Richard to go back to England taking his wife Isabella with him, on his return, he would liberate both his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine and his brother Geoffrey, duke of Brittany.
After the marriage John, would be known as the Duke of Vexin, Alix would be a very kind bride and she was a very dutiful bride, that she would forget her father in law, Henry who she had an affair before.
Compared to Henry, John had more sexual vigor than her previous love, Henry, Alix had an illegitimate son with Henry whose identity was secret to the outside of the Royal Family, Alix was a known princess who had a bad reputation in the English court and Eleanor of Aquitaine is against the marriage between Alix and John, that is said to be the cause of the great discord between Eleanor and her son John.
On 1188, Joan of England would give birth to another, child a girl named Eleonora of Sicily, the pregnancy was her second since she gave birth to a son named Bohemond earlier born 6 years before Eleanora was born, Eleonora was named after Joan’s mother Eleanor of Aquitaine, the child was a waited another child for the Queen of Sicily.
When Richard would arrive in Jerusalem on 1188 he found out that Isabella is a young and defiant princess and not willing to marry him and wanted to stay married with Humphrey of Toron, apparently, her mother and stephfather would be against the marriage with the lowly noble and would want Richard, Duke of Aquitaine or Conrad of Montferrrat instead and want Isabella to divorce her husband.
Isabella's stepfather wanted Isabella divorced from Humphrey due to Humphrey. Isabella resisted, but her mother put her under pressure. Maria Komnena also swore that Baldwin IV had forced the eight-year-old Isabella to marry Humphrey of Toron, whose effeminacy was well known. Before long, the papal legate, Ubaldo Lanfranchi, Archbishop of Pisa, and Philip of Dreux, Bishop of Beauvais, annulled the marriage of Isabella and Humphrey. Baldwin of Forde, Archbishop of Canterbury, forbade her to marry Conrad, stating that both Isabella and Conrad would commit adultery if they married. However, Baldwin of Forde died on the late 1190, Richard of Aquitaine and Isabella of Jerusalem would marry soon after the divorce.
On 1190, Henry would die due to declining health and the message would reach to Richard on 1191 after his marriage with Isabella prompting Richard to go back to England taking his wife Isabella with him, on his return, he would liberate both his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine and his brother Geoffrey, duke of Brittany.
That is my plan for him not to expand west but he can expand south..
III
III
Upon the death of her husband Henry II on 1190, Richard I was the undisputed heir. One of his first acts as king was to send William Marshal to England with orders to release Eleanor and Geoffrey of Brittany from prison; he found upon his arrival that her custodians had already released her. Eleanor rode to Westminster and received the oaths of fealty from many lords and prelates on behalf of the king. She ruled England in Richard's name, signing herself "Eleanor, by the grace of God, Queen of England". On 1191, Richard sailed from Barfleur to Portsmouth with his wife and was received with enthusiasm. Between 1190 and 1194, Richard was absent from England engaged in the Third Crusade from 1192 to 1194.
Richard I, would make Eleanor of Aquitaine and John of England as his regents giving John his power in the rule of the Kingdom.
Apparently, both Richard and John would be wary of Geoffrey as Geoffrey is an ally of Philippe Auguste at this point.
It was said that Geoffrey is very cunning and allying with Philippe is one of his strategies.
Constance of Brittany welcomed the release of her husband with open arms and restored his earlier role in the administration of the Duchy, they would continue being allies of France.
Geoffrey would betroth his daughter Mathilde to the son of the King of France, Louis, an act that Richard wanted.
Constance of Brittany would delegate many duties in the duchy to her husband and they would continue their alliance with France.
Meanwhile Alix of France gives birth to her first son with John named William in 1191.
Meanwhile Joan of England, Queen of Sicily gives birth to a son named William on 1192 securing the succession of Sicily and Isabella of Jerusalem would give birth in succession to a daughter, Alix b. 1191.
The daughter of Richard are not seen as successors to the throne, on 1193 Richard would make Theobald of Champagne, his nephew via his elder sister via Marie the heir of Aquitaine if he has no son of his own not John or Geoffrey while Geoffrey would be the heir to Anjou, Normandy and England while Poitou would be inherited by his daughter, Alix’ in this case Alix would marry her cousin Theobald.
Upon the death of her husband Henry II on 1190, Richard I was the undisputed heir. One of his first acts as king was to send William Marshal to England with orders to release Eleanor and Geoffrey of Brittany from prison; he found upon his arrival that her custodians had already released her. Eleanor rode to Westminster and received the oaths of fealty from many lords and prelates on behalf of the king. She ruled England in Richard's name, signing herself "Eleanor, by the grace of God, Queen of England". On 1191, Richard sailed from Barfleur to Portsmouth with his wife and was received with enthusiasm. Between 1190 and 1194, Richard was absent from England engaged in the Third Crusade from 1192 to 1194.
Richard I, would make Eleanor of Aquitaine and John of England as his regents giving John his power in the rule of the Kingdom.
Apparently, both Richard and John would be wary of Geoffrey as Geoffrey is an ally of Philippe Auguste at this point.
It was said that Geoffrey is very cunning and allying with Philippe is one of his strategies.
Constance of Brittany welcomed the release of her husband with open arms and restored his earlier role in the administration of the Duchy, they would continue being allies of France.
Geoffrey would betroth his daughter Mathilde to the son of the King of France, Louis, an act that Richard wanted.
Constance of Brittany would delegate many duties in the duchy to her husband and they would continue their alliance with France.
Meanwhile Alix of France gives birth to her first son with John named William in 1191.
Meanwhile Joan of England, Queen of Sicily gives birth to a son named William on 1192 securing the succession of Sicily and Isabella of Jerusalem would give birth in succession to a daughter, Alix b. 1191.
The daughter of Richard are not seen as successors to the throne, on 1193 Richard would make Theobald of Champagne, his nephew via his elder sister via Marie the heir of Aquitaine if he has no son of his own not John or Geoffrey while Geoffrey would be the heir to Anjou, Normandy and England while Poitou would be inherited by his daughter, Alix’ in this case Alix would marry her cousin Theobald.
Last edited:
IV
IV
the Emperor decided to call the betrothal of Berengaria of Castile to Conrad of Swabia due to pleas of Berengaria to cancel the betrothal and instead married Richeza of Saxony to to Conrad of Swabia to seal peace between the Hohenstauffens and the Plantagenets in the autumn of 1195, freeing Berengaria of Castile from the betrothal she hated.
In summer 1195, a marriage treaty between Mathilde of Brittany and Louis, son of Philip II of France, was suggested, for peace between Richard and Philip.
The Treaty of Le Goulet was signed by the kings John of England and Philip II of France in May 1200 and aimed to ultimately settle the claims the Angevin kings of England had on French lands. Hence, it aimed to bring an end to the war over the Duchy of Normandy and finalise the new borders of what was left of the duchy, as well as the future relationship of the king of France and the dukes of Normandy. The treaty was a victory for Philip as it asserted his legal claims to overlordship over John's French lands.
The terms of the proposed treaty of Rouen, on the city of Rouen in Normandy in Vernon in Normandy, included clarifications of the feudal relationships binding the monarchs. Philip recognised Geoffrey as heir of his brother Richard I. Richard, recognised the the Counts of Boulogne and Flanders as vassals of the kings of France, not those of England, and recognised Philip as the suzerain of the continental lands in the Angevin Empire. Richard was also bound himself not to support any rebellions on the part of the counts of Boulogne and Flanders.
Philip had previously recognised Richard as suzerain of Anjou and the Duchy of Brittany, but with the treaty of le Goulet he extorted 20,000 marks sterling in payment for recognition of Richard's sovereignty of Brittany.
The Duchy of Aquitaine was not included in the treaty. It was still held by John as heir to his still-living mother, Eleanor. The treaty was supposed to be sealed with a marriage alliance between the Angevin and Capetian dynasties. Richard's niece Mathilde, daughter of his sister Constance i and Geoffrey of Brittany, married Philip's eldest son, Louis VIII of France (to be eventually known as Louis the Lion).
However, it would not happen as Philip wanted his son to marry Alix of Jerusalem, so Philippe abandoned completely the betrothal between Mathilde of Brittany and Louis of France, the daughter of Richard and the councilors are not convinced of the marriage between Mathilde and Louis.
The failure of the treaty would be a failure of the diplomacy between the Plantagenets and the Capetians.
the Emperor decided to call the betrothal of Berengaria of Castile to Conrad of Swabia due to pleas of Berengaria to cancel the betrothal and instead married Richeza of Saxony to to Conrad of Swabia to seal peace between the Hohenstauffens and the Plantagenets in the autumn of 1195, freeing Berengaria of Castile from the betrothal she hated.
In summer 1195, a marriage treaty between Mathilde of Brittany and Louis, son of Philip II of France, was suggested, for peace between Richard and Philip.
The Treaty of Le Goulet was signed by the kings John of England and Philip II of France in May 1200 and aimed to ultimately settle the claims the Angevin kings of England had on French lands. Hence, it aimed to bring an end to the war over the Duchy of Normandy and finalise the new borders of what was left of the duchy, as well as the future relationship of the king of France and the dukes of Normandy. The treaty was a victory for Philip as it asserted his legal claims to overlordship over John's French lands.
The terms of the proposed treaty of Rouen, on the city of Rouen in Normandy in Vernon in Normandy, included clarifications of the feudal relationships binding the monarchs. Philip recognised Geoffrey as heir of his brother Richard I. Richard, recognised the the Counts of Boulogne and Flanders as vassals of the kings of France, not those of England, and recognised Philip as the suzerain of the continental lands in the Angevin Empire. Richard was also bound himself not to support any rebellions on the part of the counts of Boulogne and Flanders.
Philip had previously recognised Richard as suzerain of Anjou and the Duchy of Brittany, but with the treaty of le Goulet he extorted 20,000 marks sterling in payment for recognition of Richard's sovereignty of Brittany.
The Duchy of Aquitaine was not included in the treaty. It was still held by John as heir to his still-living mother, Eleanor. The treaty was supposed to be sealed with a marriage alliance between the Angevin and Capetian dynasties. Richard's niece Mathilde, daughter of his sister Constance i and Geoffrey of Brittany, married Philip's eldest son, Louis VIII of France (to be eventually known as Louis the Lion).
However, it would not happen as Philip wanted his son to marry Alix of Jerusalem, so Philippe abandoned completely the betrothal between Mathilde of Brittany and Louis of France, the daughter of Richard and the councilors are not convinced of the marriage between Mathilde and Louis.
The failure of the treaty would be a failure of the diplomacy between the Plantagenets and the Capetians.