Thanks. It looks beautiful and I replaced with it my attempt to creative geography. 😉View attachment 902813
Here are the new borders! Alexmilman, let me know if anything needs corrected. Prussia gets ~600k subjects, Austria ~2.65 million like OTL. Russia though about 3.5 million instead of 1.2 million.
Out of curiosity where did you get the figures for the populationsView attachment 902813
Here are the new borders! Alexmilman, let me know if anything needs corrected. Prussia gets ~600k subjects, Austria ~2.65 million like OTL. Russia though about 3.5 million instead of 1.2 million.
I see. Unfortunately, in this specific area I’m under powered on my elderly ipad. So thanks again for the help.I just use Microsoft Paint on my laptop with the base map being Wikipedia's map of Poland-Lithuania's administrative regions.
What a weird looking Poland.View attachment 902813
Here are the new borders! Alexmilman, let me know if anything needs corrected. Prussia gets ~600k subjects, Austria ~2.65 million like OTL. Russia though about 3.5 million instead of 1.2 million.
It is not weird. Besides OTL parts of Austria and Prussia, the rest is based mostly upon the ethnic/religious criteria for a majority of population with some mostly Orthodox pieces (Minsk region) still left within the PLC (everything in a moderation 😉). The OTL Russian part was much more idiotic: except for having border along the upper Dvina river (hardly a serious obstacle), where was a meaningful reason for getting predominantly Protestant areas while leaving the Orthodox ones within the PLC. And this after wasting so much of all types of effort and failing on the Orthodox part of the “dissident issue”? In OTL it took a war and one more partition to get them so why not doing this in one step?What a weird looking Poland.
I was talking about the aesthetic shape of it. Of course it does have a logic to it, but this kind of shape for Poland in the abstract does look a bit different than what it's historically had.It is not weird. Besides OTL parts of Austria and Prussia, the rest is based mostly upon the ethnic/religious criteria for a majority of population with some mostly Orthodox pieces (Minsk region) still left within the PLC (everything in a moderation 😉). The OTL Russian part was much more idiotic: except for having border along the upper Dvina river (hardly a serious obstacle), where was a meaningful reason for getting predominantly Protestant areas while leaving the Orthodox ones within the PLC. And this after wasting so much of all types of effort and failing on the Orthodox part of the “dissident issue”? In OTL it took a war and one more partition to get them so why not doing this in one step?
I agree, can we just kill PLC, call it a dayI was talking about the aesthetic shape of it. Of course it does have a logic to it, but this kind of shape for Poland in the abstract does look a bit different than what it's historically had.
It looks like I anticipated you reasonable comment by editing the post before having a chance to read yours. There was some old saying about certain kind of people (my well-known modesty prevents me from getting into the specifics) thinking similarly.I was talking about the aesthetic shape of it. Of course it does have a logic to it, but this kind of shape for Poland in the abstract does look a bit different than what it's historically had.
Something like this?I agree, can we just kill PLC, call it a day
No, we can’t. Actually, this map is not an official one, yet: it will take a long and convoluted legislative process for the PLC to officially accept the situation.I agree, can we just kill PLC, call it a day
It is up in the air the exact long-term future for the PLC. A complete partition is not necessarily inevitable.No, we can’t. Actually, this map is not an official one, yet: it will take a long and convoluted legislative process for the PLC to officially accept the situation.
Stupidities of OTL will not necessarily be repeated ITTL. 😜Something like this?
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It occurred to me the map in a way boiled down to "Prussia and Austria get Poland, Russia gets Lithuania". But should OTL solutions be opted for OTL problems will likely ensue. That's not necessarily the best outcome from a reader interest POV even if the PLC is indeed run in a very stupid way and hardly be called many flattering things.Stupidities of OTL will not necessarily be repeated ITTL. 😜
Of course. As I said, in OTL an official recognition of the 1st Partition by Poland was a long and troublesome process. The next ones fit well with what was formulated (applicable to a slightly different activity) in an old “educational” movie: “the first time is painful but then you’ll get used to it.” 😉It is up in the air the exact long-term future for the PLC.
That’s the point.A complete partition is not necessarily inevitable.
Well OTL Poland went to almost fully to Russia, did it not? I do agree it wasn't a good thing for either of them.It occurred to me the map in a way boiled down to "Prussia and Austria get Poland, Russia gets Lithuania". But should OTL solutions be opted for OTL problems will likely ensue. That's not necessarily the best outcome from a reader interest POV even if the PLC is indeed run in a very stupid way and hardly be called many flattering things.
Well, after Nappy, yes.Well OTL Poland went to almost fully to Russia, did it not? I do agree it wasn't a good thing for either of them.
These sorts of things are the most painful the first time, so that does make sense.Of course. As I said, in OTL an official recognition of the 1st Partition by Poland was a long and troublesome process. The next ones fit well with what was formulated (applicable to a slightly different activity) in an old “educational” movie: “the first time is painful but then you’ll get used to it.” 😉
In OTL, yes. ITTL “Poland and Lithuania” but in modern terms “Ukraine and Belorussia”.It occurred to me the map in a way boiled down to "Prussia and Austria get Poland, Russia gets Lithuania".
Well, IMO, getting the areas where majority of a population is going to be generally sympathetic to the new masters makes more sense than ending up with the territories having predominantly Polish and Lithuanian population and resulting OTL problems. Speaking of which, ITTL there are plenty of “interesting” problems besides dealing with the Poles outside and inside the Russian Empire.But should OTL solutions be opted for OTL problems will likely ensue. That's not necessarily the best outcome from a reader interest POV even if the PLC is indeed run in a very stupid way and hardly be called many flattering things.