ottoman neutral russian civil war happen how ottoman intervene in russia?

[NATO1949]

ottoman neutral Russian civil war happen how ottoman intervene in Russia

what if ottoman are neural in great war but russian revolution happen because austrian win battle of Galicia and stay on defensive against Serbia in 1914.

how far ottoman will go in civil war-torn russia ?

what can entente offer for ottoman to joint against Germany ?
Dodecanese island ,Cyprus, Kuwait and Qatar and parts of Iran ?
how will ottoman back in Russia whites of red ?

 

[The Tai-Pan]

The Ottomans can barely maintain any control over what they have. I doubt they will get too involved in Russia, to be honest, besides trying to influence the Caucasus breakaway states, if any form .

 

[NATO1949]

ottoman in OTL where marching to astrakhan on Volga river mouth on Caspian sea
how can stop ottoman from interfering in Russia . ottoman can get British or German blessing for their intervention in Russia

 

[nbcman]

If the Ottomans stay neutral, the Russians would be stronger since they could still trade with their Western Allies via the Bosporus plus it would eliminate the majority of their armies on the Caucasus front. But if there was a Russian Revolution, the Ottomans would most likely recover the territory they lost in the Turko-Russian War of 1877 at a minimum. They can try to sway / annex the Caucasus breakaway states but they would have to also deal with the British influence through Persia.

 

[Escape Zeppelin]

But if there was a Russian Revolution, the Ottomans would most likely recover the territory they lost in the Turko-Russian War of 1877 at a minimum.

I'm not sure about that. The Russians did remarkably well against the Ottomans even while the Germans mopped the floor with them on the Easter Front. I'm not sure that an aggressive campaign against a defensive Russia is really within the Ottoman's capabilities at this point, even against a disunited Russia. Especially since the Russians (or some Russian faction ) will likely be receiving British or French support.

Plus, neutral Ottomans run the danger of getting drawn into WWI by intervening in a Russian civil war. The Ottomans are probably better off sitting the whole thing out and taking British aid and support in return for keeping the Bosporus open to British and French ships.

 

[nbcman]

I'm not sure about that. The Russians did remarkably well against the Ottomans even while the Germans mopped the floor with them on the Easter Front. I'm not sure that an aggressive campaign against a defensive Russia is really within the Ottoman's capabilities at this point, even against a disunited Russia. Especially since the Russians (or some Russian faction ) will likely be receiving British or French support.

Plus, neutral Ottomans run the danger of getting drawn into WWI by intervening in a Russian civil war. The Ottomans are probably better off sitting the whole thing out and taking British aid and support in return for keeping the Bosporus open to British and French ships.

The Russians did so well against the Ottomans because they were distracted by other more critical threats like the Gallipoli and Mesopotamian campaigns. Plus the Ottomans were able to significantly advance into the Caucasus in 1918 after losing to the Russians during the previous years. So how can an unbloodied Ottoman empire do worse? The British and French would prefer the Ottomans get their former territory back instead of the Soviets getting it as OTL proved when they didn’t object to the Treaty of Kars.

 

[FillyofDelphi]

The Russians did so well against the Ottomans because they were distracted by other more critical threats like the Gallipoli and Mesopotamian campaigns. Plus the Ottomans were able to significantly advance into the Caucasus in 1918 after losing to the Russians during the previous years. So how can an unbloodied Ottoman empire do worse? The British and French would prefer the Ottomans get their former territory back instead of the Soviets getting it as OTL proved when they didn’t object to the Treaty of Kars.

Um... Enver's decision to go charging into the Caucuses in the dead of winter without good logistical networks or winter clothing, thus decimating the Ottoman forces on the Russian front early on, probably also had something to do with it. But you're right in the broader point in that, if the Ottoman's are neutral, making some minor territory grabs probably isen't going to result in the French and British making too much of a fuss (particularly since the region is unlikely to be in the hands of any White Russian forces, but rather either Reds or Armenian Nationalists), and would probably be able to take some substantial territories so long as they stay well out of the way of clearly-held White regions. This means the Kars region, probably getting into Azerbaijan (Especially important if the Entente wants to keep Baku on the international oil market in the post-war world) and if they play their cards right establishing buffers/clients in the North Caucuses