The idea of the Mongols (or an independent Mongol warlord) taking over Constantinople, adopting Greek traditions, converting to Orthodoxy, and subsequently establishing a new Eastern Roman dynasty during the 13th century is commonly brought up, but how and when could this happen, and who could do it? Nogai Khan, potentially? And could this potentially revitalize the Eastern Roman Empire and prevent the decline of the later 13th century?
 
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the most likely sceneario would be for a pre 1260 where berke and nogai convert to chrsitnianity instead of islam , assuming that all the anatolian byzantine empire is conquered , so the european part is safe a new khante would be formed split from the ilkhante called , the purple khante or roman khante,

asumming since berke convertion to chhirstniaty prevents the halagu berke wars , the both can unite agianst the mameluks , most like conquering egypt , if that is the case a civil war will occur with halagu and berke on who gets who , in our timeline berke won.

assuming he does, the division would be , anatolia , armenia , the levant , syria and egypt for berke , mesopotemia and the rest of modern day iraq and iran.

(keep in mind that berke aslo has dominion over the golden horde so from his new base in constaninople an invasion of the balkans becomes way more possible)

once berke dies the roman khante and the golden horde would split but still be alies against the ilkhante.

going on to the 13th century , do to geography , history and one being islamic and the other chirstian the ilkhante and the roman khante

will become the sassanid persia vs Eastern roman empire. as figthing would ocurr,do to distrust of the muslims beacuse of the ilkhante

the roman khante would force covert the muslims , in some areas this would be easier espcially

the roman khante would be hit hard by the black death , and most likely suffer a lot i dont see it surviving past 1400 s to be honest, if internal striffe doesnt kill it timur would.


but it would have a lot of consquences for one , after nearly a century or a century and a half of chirstian dominion we would have a more crhistian populations.


the 8th and 9th crusades are butterflied away,

once timur is gone , antolia would fall in to many pety kingdoms .

assuming that the roman khante took control of many parts of the balkans , a new roman dynasty can take the mantle , and after timur is gone , and attack anatolia .
 
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How could this takeover of the Empire by Nogai or some other warlord occur? Would a complete conquest of the Empire or an invitation from the nobility be more realistic?
 
How could this takeover of the Empire by Nogai or some other warlord occur? Would a complete conquest of the Empire or an invitation from the nobility be more realistic?
at this piont for an inivation they have to 1000% convert to orthodox chirsnitianity and even then , its not 100% . unless he marries the emperors daugher and thus claims the empire , now that he is orthodox
 
Christianity among the Mongols was actually more popular than you would think. The Keraites were Christians, Sartaq Khan and Kitbuqa were Christians, and the khanates were generally favorable to Christians even after their conversions to Islam. Granted, this was Nestorian Christianity, but they probably wouldn’t care about switching sects if it appeased their subjects.
 
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Christianity among the Mongols was actually more popular than you would think. The Keraites were Christians, Sartaq Khan and Kitbuqa were Christians, and the khanates were generally favorable to Christians even after their conversions to Islam. Granted, this was Nestorian Christianity, but they probably wouldn’t care about switching sects if it appeased their subjects.

Not to derail the OP, but I doubt Orthodoxy/Catholicism would be feasible on a large scale. Considering the requirement to submit to Patriarchy/Popery over the Great Khan. I could be wrong though
 
Not to derail the OP, but I doubt Orthodoxy/Catholicism would be feasible on a large scale. Considering the requirement to submit to Patriarchy/Popery over the Great Khan. I could be wrong though

not in orthodoxy , in eastern orthdoxy Its cesar over pope (Caesaropapism)

the emperor is superior to all patraichs
 
How could this takeover of the Empire by Nogai or some other warlord occur? Would a complete conquest of the Empire or an invitation from the nobility be more realistic?

Nogai did invade the Byzantine territory from his base in Bulgaria and, IIRC, he ended as an ally and son in law of one of the emperors. If he is a Christian and not being distracted by his activities elsewhere, he has a realistic shot especially if he is arranging for some support within the empire: getting an emperor with an army at least 20,000 and in control of at least part of Bulgaria may have certain advantages.
 
Nogai did invade the Byzantine territory from his base in Bulgaria and, IIRC, he ended as an ally and son in law of one of the emperors. If he is a Christian and not being distracted by his activities elsewhere, he has a realistic shot especially if he is arranging for some support within the empire: getting an emperor with an army at least 20,000 and in control of at least part of Bulgaria may have certain advantages.

Could anything work with a stronger Tsar Chaka of Bulgaria?
 
In Empty America, Sartaq is made Great Khan and embarks on a great crusade. Nearly all of Europe east of France are in Mongol hands, though Anatolia isn’t, which is and the saintly exiled Pope Gregory is based in Constantinople. It’s a helluva ride.
 
The idea of the Mongols (or an independent Mongol warlord) taking over Constantinople, adopting Greek traditions, converting to Orthodoxy, and subsequently establishing a new Eastern Roman dynasty during the 13th century is commonly brought up, but how and when could this happen, and who could do it? Nogai Khan, potentially? And could this potentially revitalize the Eastern Roman Empire and prevent the decline of the later 13th century?
How about a Mongol invasion of Anatolia?
 
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