A lot of coastal places outside of Hawaii could have been named Pearl Harbour.Pearl Harbor
Between the post about Hanover and reading that Pearl Harbor still happened in the Prime Ministers post, I’m really interested in learning what World War II looked like ITTL. On a somewhat related note, what have the histories of fascism and communism looked like here?
A lot of coastal places outside of Hawaii could have been named Pearl Harbour.
Hamilton wank, Federalists, dope!
Provinces of Canada and New Albion, love it!
What's Washington doing in this TL?
Perhaps Benedict Arnold could be one of the early Prime Ministers?
If I had to hazard a guess based on what we've already been told... we know that the British nations were aligned in this war and that France was carrying out bombing raids against British allies. I also remember, however, that you said the Bonapartes were still in control of France, which wouldn't make sense if the Bonapartes ruled during the war against the victorious powers. So my guess is that at some point, potentially after World War I, the Bonapartes are dethroned, leading to an unstable Weimar-like situation in France that gives way to some dictatorship. The group perhaps appropriates a lot of Bonapartist imagery despite being republican, hence why romantics call WW2 part of the "Second Napoleonic Wars" despite that not being accurate. The war ends in an Allied victory, however, and it's decided that the best way to limit the influence of the French Nazi equivalent is to restore the House of Bonaparte, who have continued to rule France to the present.I'll have the boxes on both of the world wars soon enough. Though as a small hint to the shape of things to come. I will say that some more... poetic historians like to refer to these events as the "Second Napoleonic Wars" though that name is regarded as inaccurate for reasons that will become clear.
If I had to hazard a guess based on what we've already been told... we know that the British nations were aligned in this war and that France was carrying out bombing raids against British allies. I also remember, however, that you said the Bonapartes were still in control of France, which wouldn't make sense if the Bonapartes ruled during the war against the victorious powers. So my guess is that at some point, potentially after World War I, the Bonapartes are dethroned, leading to an unstable Weimar-like situation in France that gives way to some dictatorship. The group perhaps appropriates a lot of Bonapartist imagery despite being republican, hence why romantics call WW2 part of the "Second Napoleonic Wars" despite that not being accurate. The war ends in an Allied victory, however, and it's decided that the best way to limit the influence of the French Nazi equivalent is to restore the House of Bonaparte, who have continued to rule France to the present.
So I'm guessing that in Europe, France takes the role of Germany in World War II, while the Pacific front may still be fairly similar to OTL.
Speaking of the Pacific, since the Americans who control Hawaii are under a monarchy, have they allowed the local Hawaiian monarchy to survive as a vassal state?
I noticed that Louis Mountbatten is still British. Did his other Battenberg relatives immigrated to the United Commonwealth with him or remained in Hanover assuming their early history remains the same as in OTL?
Question: Why is Philip and Louis still named Mountbatten here?
Mountbatten was the english name for Battenburg, which they changed to after ww1 to "degermanise" themselves. Also here, why wouldf Phillip take the name, given he doesnt need too (he only did to emphazise his britishness in otl)
So I was looking over the list again, and I noticed that there doesn't seem to be a Reagan or Thatcher figure to lead to a more fusionist conservative platform. Especially with Nixon supporting universal healthcare after Castro, does conservatism ITTL look more like one-nation conservatism and Christian democracy than libertarianism (so socially conservative, economically progressive instead of socially liberal, economically conservative)?So, version 1
The Prime Ministers of the United Provinces of America
I would like any and all criticism, if you have your own ideas or figures you want to see used, suggest them!
Some notes
It was decided that Prime Minister should come from the commons to appease more radical American thinkers, though the ministry could be sourced from both houses. The current Baker ministry has more than a few peers in its ranks.
The federalists transform into the Loyalist Whig Party and a number of other factions. The so-called Peelites eventually became the Conservative.
After landslide losses in 1935 and 1940 FDR manages to unite the Liberal and Progressive into a single force. The Labour party. The progressives were an offshoot of the liberals that formed around FDR's cousin, two-time PM Teddy Roosevelt due to disagreements with the Liberal party over a number of policy areas
- 1788-1795 - George Nugent-Temple-Grenville - Home Province - New York - Party - Independent
- 1795-1801 - Henry Addington - Home Province - Massachusetts - Party - Federalist
- 1801-1817 - Alexander Hamilton - Home Province - New York - Party - Federalist
- 1817-1822 - Thomas Jefferson - Home Province - Virginia - Party - Democratic-Agrarian
- 1822-1827 - John Quincy Adams - Home Province - Massachusetts - Party - Democratic-Agrarian
- 1827-1835 - Martin Van Buren - Home Province - New York - Party - Democratic
- 1835-1838 - Robert Peel - Home Province - Connecticut - Party - Federalist
- 1838-1841 - John C. Calhoun - Home Province - South Carolina - Party - Democratic
- 1841-1845 - Henry Clay - Home Province - Kentucky - Party - Loyalist-Whig
- 1845-1849 - James K. Polk - Home Province - Tennessee - Party - Democratic - Note- Died in office
- 1849-1852 - James Buchanan - Home Province - Pennsylvania - Party - Democratic
- 1852-1856 - Charles Pelham Villiers - Home Province - Iowa - Party - Loyalist-Whig
- 1856-1861 - John C. Breckinridge - Home Province - Kentucky - Party - Democratic
- 1861-1865 - Abraham Lincoln - Home Province - Illinois - Party - Conservative - Note - Assassinated
- 1865-1868 - William H. Seward - Home Province - New York - Party - Conservative - Note - Forced from office by his own party over reconstruction and voting rights, and a poor electoral performance
- 1868-1878 - John A. Macdonald - Home Province - Canada - Party - Conservative
- 1878-1883 - Horatio Seymour - Home Province - New York - Party - Liberal
- 1883-1888 - Robert Todd Lincoln - Home Province - Illinois - Party - Conservative
- 1888-1892 -Robert M. La Follette - Home Province - Wisconsin - Party - Liberal
- 1892-1897 - Randolph Churchill - Home Province - New Jersey - Party - Conservative
- 1897-1901 - William McKinley - Home Province- Ohio - Party - Liberal - Note - Assassinated
- 1901-1906 - Theodore Roosevelt - Home Province - New York - Party - Liberal - Note - First Term
- 1906-1910 - Joseph Gurney Cannon - Home Province - Illinois - Party - Conservative
- 1910-1915 - Woodrow Wilson - Home Province - Ohio - Party - Liberal
1915-1919 - Theodore Roosevelt - Home Province - New York - Party - Progressive - Note - Second Term - Died in office- 1919-1923 - Hiram Johnson - Home Province - California - Party - Progressive
- 1923-1930 - Calvin Coolidge - Home Province - Massachusetts - Party - Conservative
- 1930-1932 - Cordell Hull - Home Province - Tennessee - Party - Liberal
- 1932-1935 - Franklin D. Roosevelt - Home Province - New York - Party - Liberal - Note - First Term
- 1935-1936 - Charles Curtis - Home Province - Kansas - Party - Conservative - Note - Died in office
- 1936-1941 - Charles L. McNary - Home Province - Oregon - Party - Conservative - Note - Forced from office after the Pearl Harbor bombing
- 1941-1946 - Winston Churchill - Home Province - New York - Party - Conservative
1946-1952 - Franklin D. Roosevelt - Home Province - New York - Party - Labour - Note - Second Term - Died in office- 1952-1960 - Earl Warren - Home Province - California - Party - Labour - Note - chose not to seek another term and resigned as leader of the Labour party ahead of the 1960 election.
- 1960-1963 - John F. Kennedy - Home Province - Massachusetts - Party - Labour - Note - Assassinated
- 1963-1968 - Hubert Humphrey - Home Province - Minnesota - Party - Labour
- 1968-1976 - Richard Nixon - Home Province - New Albion - Party - Conservative - Note - First Term
- 1976-1981 - Fidel Castro - Home Province - Cuba - Party - Labour
1981-1988 - Richard Nixon - Home Province - New Albion - Party - Conservative - Note - Second Term - Resigned due to age- 1988-1992 - George Bush - Home Province - Massachusetts - Party - Conservative
- 1992-1998 - Al Gore - Home Province - Tennessee - Party - Labour
- 1998-2002 - Jerry Brown - Home Province - New Albion - Party - Labour
- 2002-2006 - John Kasich - Home Province - Ohio - Party - Conservative
- 2006-2016 - Diana Spender - Home Province - Virginia - Party - Labour
- 2016-present - Charles Baker - Home Province - Massachusetts - Party - Conservative
Great idea!Hmm, not a bad idea! I'll see if I can use that, I was thinking about keeping this going.
List of proprietors of Maryland - Wikipedia
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So that could as a model for a vassal Monarchy in Hawaii
So I was looking over the list again, and I noticed that there doesn't seem to be a Reagan or Thatcher figure to lead to a more fusionist conservative platform. Especially with Nixon supporting universal healthcare after Castro, does conservatism ITTL look more like one-nation conservatism and Christian democracy than libertarianism (so socially conservative, economically progressive instead of socially liberal, economically conservative)?
I think that model would be neat to see in Quebec and Alaska.
Our Louis XVIII perhaps? Louis, 1st Viceroy of Quebec? Louis flees the Revolution, bends the knee and gets a symbolic post of his own.Not a bad idea! Though the question would be, who get's that role in Quebec?
Reagan could take a route similar to that of Arnold Schwarzenegger in OTL where he takes a brief break from acting and gets a position in the government.As for Reagan, I'm still mulling over what to do with him. Either he remains an actor or enters the House of Lords later in life as a life peer, and becomes an outspoken conservative critic of the Nixon-Bush governments, and a lasting hero in the more conservative wing of the party.
That sounds good!Our Louis XVIII perhaps? Louis, 1st Viceroy of Quebec? Louis flees the Revolution, bends the knee and gets a symbolic post of his own.
Our Louis XVIII perhaps? Louis, 1st Viceroy of Quebec? Louis flees the Revolution, bends the knee and gets a symbolic post of his own.
That sounds good!
Another province that could have a subnational
monarchy is Louisiana, with Louis Philippe, Duke of Orleans being the first Viceroy.
Reagan could take a route similar to that of Arnold Schwarzenegger in OTL where he takes a brief break from acting and gets a position in the government.
I concur. I think an Orleanist Louisiana would work and be interesting, but having Quebec under the direct heirs of the French throne seems to be a stretch. At most, I could see a Quebecois viceroyalty under a local Quebecois noble family that expressed loyalty to the Crown, but I think it would be fine to just give Quebec a standard government, perhaps with the Catholic Church having a special local status as occurred IOTL.Maybe. But the issue here would be. Why? Why would George allow a Catholic king to hold territory under his rule? He'll allow a French Speaking Catholic Province once it's been cut down to size. But more than that might be a little far. Maybe, and I mean maybe it could work as a reward for French assistance during the war. I'll see if I can make it work.
New Orleans might work though, a little down the line after the throne is established,
How about having George grant Louis a noble title, with Quebec gaining its monarchy later on.Maybe. But the issue here would be. Why? Why would George allow a Catholic king to hold territory under his rule? He'll allow a French Speaking Catholic Province once it's been cut down to size. But more than that might be a little far. Maybe, and I mean maybe it could work as a reward for French assistance during the war. I'll see if I can make it work.
I concur. I think an Orleanist Louisiana would work and be interesting, but having Quebec under the direct heirs of the French throne seems to be a stretch. At most, I could see a Quebecois viceroyalty under a local Quebecois noble family that expressed loyalty to the Crown, but I think it would be fine to just give Quebec a standard government, perhaps with the Catholic Church having a special local status as occurred IOTL.
How about having George grant Louis a noble title, with Quebec gaining its monarchy later on.