Is Albania stable in practice or essentially a weird European Afghanistan-tribal vibed place?
Es Geloybte Aretz Continuation Thread
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It sounds like the kind of thing they would do (are doing) ITTL. The 1910s and 1920s are the era of the last big land grabs, after all. I haven't thought through whether that is exactly what they will do, but it's the style. "Everyone" (Italy, Greece, France, Spain, Bulgaria) is doing it.
Ottoman support for the Albanian guerilla is phrased in religious terms, but the Albanian leadership formulates their position as an etnic nation state. Really, it's an opportunity to deny an arrogant robbing state its ghains at least, and albania, while not interested in joining the Ottoman Empire, remains on good terms with the Ottomans.
And support for independence movements absolutely. The Ottomans and the Chinese are the biggest supporters of decolonisation. Part of the playbook of international fuckery in this world is that supporting political moivements in the other country is not a casus belli. Aside from cash and clandestine arms shipment, the biggest thing the Empire gives the rebels is legitimacy. The French would love to say that the Mouvement Algerien de Liberation is just a criminal gang, but when they have offices in Istanbul and regularly attend ambassadorial meetings as 'recognised observers', that becomes much less convincing.
I don't really know all that much about the details of Albania, but I assume that it's "both". The country has to be stable enough to function economically and integrate itself into an informal alliance with Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but it's a young nation state in an area where people don't fully recognise 'nation' as a category. Up in the remoter valleys, things can get plenty picturesque. Eventually, there will be national integration and modernisation because the government owes the mountain clans (they provided the resistance and continue to send their sons to the army). That means roads, schools, and health services as well as bribes and sinecures to the local chiefs. But it will take a while. Albania is not exactly flush with cash
So in the end its in a better place than OTL? Minus the lovely collection of bunkers it has accumulated in our world lol
Almost the entire world ends up in a better place than IOTL here. They don't know it and are fairly convinced their timeline sucks, but unless you are Swiss or Swedish, or maybe Armenian, this TL will be broadly better for you. Certainly for Europe, where the west sees no major war and most of the east "only" gets the kind of devastation visited on Northern France and Belgium IOTL. It boggles the mind that that should be better, but it is.
Poor armenians... They are one of the most unlucky people OTL, and they will be off even worse in the ATL, that has nearly everyone else being way better off
Does this hold up for places like Latin America, which OTL saw no major wars?
In many places, yes. No Cold war means no Communist panic, less brutal treatment of the rural poor. It's still not nice to be a villager in Guatemala, Peru, or El Salvador, but you don't have the same level of massive violence.
Probably also higher population as with a lot more surviving Europeans I think more would find their way to immigrate to the region.
Speaking of which what do you think the population of European countries would look like in TTL? I remember a discussion regarding Germany where you said about 100 million (which I still think is too low but no point starting that again).
In regards to austria first did franz Ferdinand son joesph son still commit suscide and also his wife being assassinated?
Second how does austria reform the United States of Greater Austria, or danubian federation route? If its the former is its acronym USA or USGA?
in regards to the german upper house does anyone ever get annoyed very small principalities with little population get votes? Similar to how small us states have same amount of votes to big states?
Second how does austria reform the United States of Greater Austria, or danubian federation route? If its the former is its acronym USA or USGA?
in regards to the german upper house does anyone ever get annoyed very small principalities with little population get votes? Similar to how small us states have same amount of votes to big states?
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You mean Franz Joseph, not Franz Ferdinand, right? Neither of Franz Ferdinand's sons suicided, and both were morganatically barred from the throne.
Franz Joseph's son Rudolf was the one who committed suicide. But that happened in 1889, before Carlton's POD. (EDIT: Well, about the same time as his POD. But it seems very unlikely Rudolf's suicide would be butterflied away, even so.)
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Please understand -h/N- that the west once hoped the Liberal International Order could in extremis hold the line on the Indus.
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The thread cuts close to my bone, and my posts at times are triggered by externalities such as the recent France/Gujarat human trafficking event.
Deepl yields, "Aretz loved it", with "Aretz loved", "Aretz is beloved", and "Aretz is loved" as alternatives.
Langenscheidt doesn't recognize "Geloybte" as a word.
I'm thinking it might be Yiddish. Aretz apparently is Land in Hebrew, and "geloybte" sounds like german "geliebte", which means loved. So probably something like "This loved/beloved land"?
Sounds like you are right, yeah. Thematically it makes more sense.