could the confederates have reopened the transatlantic slave trade? if so how?

[JWQ]

This alternative history can be taken less seriously . Suppose if the Confederates won there independence and they quietly participated in the illegal trans Atlantic slave trade with secret government support.

which African kingdoms or tribes might sell human beings as slaves and possibly support the confederate slavers ?

The CSA has already banned the slave trade in there constitution so it’s not likely anyway. this would have a temporary successful revival for human trafficking ,but the blockade of British and other nations naval ships would prevent this.

The confederacy would support these kingdoms in return for their cooperation.

southern fire eaters did favor these evil moves though Confederate Congress could never tolerate this moral outrage if it some how happened

 

[Gabingston]

I doubt the British would've been a fan of it. They were intensely anti-slavery by that point, and the Royal Navy was cracking down hard on the slave trade.

 

[JWQ]

I doubt the British would've been a fan of it. They were intensely anti-slavery by that point, and the Royal Navy was cracking down hard on the slave trade.

I know I already mentioned the blockade. But I will make the timeline latter.

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Besides, the slave owners actually liked the ban. It made their existing slaves more valuable.

 

[altwere]

If it was tried and had the support of the government, it might lead to a short war with the UK

 

[Revachah]

It would’ve just been easier to import from Cuba or Brazil but the reality is Confederates would not want staunchly Catholic and/or heavily culturally African populations who could stir up commotion.

Now, the import of “fancy slaves” aka sex slavery of light skin and/or white passing or “exotic” looking under age girls and women (as well as probably boys too) could and would increase dramatically.

They would not be going to West or Central Africa for that though.

 

[altwere]

They will be getting them from the Ottomans?

 

[Revachah]

Ottomans unlikely. If they were to go to across the Atlantic it would have to be from Cabo Verde to Morocco (abolishes slavery in the 1920s) clandestinely because the British are around.

 

[GameBawesome]

The CSA could TRY to keep it secret, but it wouldn’t be too soon before the British realize what they’re doing, and restart the West Africa Squadron to stop Confederate Slavers

 

[Osman Aga]

This alternative history can be taken less seriously . Suppose if the Confederates won there independence and they quietly participated in the illegal trans Atlantic slave trade with secret government support.

which African kingdoms or tribes might sell human beings as slaves and possibly support the confederate slavers ?

The CSA has already banned the slave trade in there constitution so it’s not likely anyway. this would have a temporary successful revival for human trafficking ,but the blockade of British and other nations naval ships would prevent this.

The confederacy would support these kingdoms in return for their cooperation.

southern fire eaters did favor these evil moves though Confederate Congress could never tolerate this moral outrage if it some how happened

Only illegally, which would be cracked down hard by the Royal Navy while the Confederates do not have the means to protect their slave traders against the British.

The Union could use this as a justification of war to crack down on slave trade activity of the Confederates while actually desiring to restore order, or at least in certain provinces.

 

[Osman Aga]

They will be getting them from the Ottomans?

The Ottomans did not enslave people themselves (in the 19th century at least...). They got their slaves from Arab slavers from North Africa or the Arabian Peninsula. The African Slaves at least. Zanzibar is an option, considering the money the Confederate Merchants will pay but that leaves the British influence being all high in Zanzibar willing to intervene there. Bypassing Trans-Atlantic Slave trade with getting East-African Slaves is not something the British will tolerate.

 

[Osman Aga]

The CSA could TRY to keep it secret, but it wouldn’t be too soon before the British realize what they’re doing, and restart the West Africa Squadron to stop Confederate Slavers

If the seas are involved in something, you cannot keep it a secret from British

 

[Glory2Cabinda]

The British would bitch slap the confederate navy

 

[Osman Aga]

Ottomans unlikely. If they were to go to across the Atlantic it would have to be from Cabo Verde to Morocco (abolishes slavery in the 1920s) clandestinely because the British are around.

Unlikely as the Ottomans did not enslave Africans themselves. The Arabs of the Arab Peninsula, East Africa (Egypt included) are the merchants willing to sell. That is if the British would not involve in that but they will.

Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, even with Morocco is not happening because of the Royal Navy Activity

 

[Minchandre]

No one's going to bring up the fact that the Confederate constitution forbids this practice?

The importation of Negroes of the African race from any foreign country, other than the slave-holding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.

 

[Revachah]

They will be getting them from the Ottomans?

Unlikely as the Ottomans did not enslave Africans themselves. The Arabs of the Arab Peninsula, East Africa (Egypt included) are the merchants willing to sell. That is if the British would not involve in that but they will.

Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, even with Morocco is not happening because of the Royal Navy Activity

Let’s be real here the Ottomans did enslave african people, did they go about actively seeking them out in Africa? No, but the african presence still exists in the Greece and Turkey from the Ottomans to this day.

Secondly the British navy cannot be everywhere and secondly the Clotida went from Africa to Cuba to the US in 1860. Slave trade was still going on for some time even with the British navy dude.

 

[David T]

The Confederate Constitution actually took a harder line against the Atlantic slave trade than the US Constitution did: "The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same." https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

Any attempt to circumvent that provision would run into formidable opposition from the upper Confederate states(who would worry that it would interfere with their ability to sell slaves to the Deep South) and from the UK.

 

[Gloss]

It's both not possible and pointless, the south was able to increase its slave population through massive internal growth of the community, in fact they were so good at it I question the necessity of slave labour for cotton plantation to begin with compared to the conditions of sugar plantations in the Caribbeans.

 

[David T]

David Potter in The Impending Crisis 1848-1861 (pp. 399-401) explains why the attempt to reopen the African slave trade failed:

 

[Osman Aga]

Let’s be real here the Ottomans did enslave african people, did they go about actively seeking them out in Africa? No, but the african presence still exists in the Greece and Turkey from the Ottomans to this day.

Secondly the British navy cannot be everywhere and secondly the Clotida went from Africa to Cuba to the US in 1860. Slave trade was still going on for some time even with the British navy dude.

Enslaving =/= purchasing slaves

The Ottomans bought their slaves from Arab merchants who in return bought it from tribes raiding Bantu villages as far as the Great Lakes.

The RN not being on every 1 square km of sea does not mean they cannot stop most of the slave trade. Especially if the source is from West Africa. Slave trade was however reduced with the RN actively trying to stop it.