Could have been leaders/politicians have they not died

Mickey Leland, Jerry Litton, Paul Wellstone, John F. Kennedy Jr., Niel Kinnick, Leo Ryan, Floyd Olson, Anton Cermak, RFK, Larry McDonald, John Johnson, Marion Zioncheck...

I'd also argue about political death, like EMK and Chappaquidick.
 

marktaha

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Lenin doesn't get shot by Fanny Kaplan and lives longer maybe Stalin is avoided.

Mao had a son who was killed by a bombing raid in the Korean War. Mao Anying I believe. If he lives, maybe the PRC becomes mega-North Korea with a Mao dynasty in power sticking to the ideological violence and not doing the capitalist reforms.

Caligula's father Germanicus was a popular and successful general who was a candidate for Emperor. Keep him from dying of poison in the Near East and he might keep a successful Julio-Claudian dynasty longer and not arguably lose it like his son. I say arguably because I consider the possibility alot of the stuff about Caligula was propaganda by senators who did not like him for their own reasons, since the plebes demanded his death be investigated since he was still popular with common people.
Remembering I Claudius - Castor or Postumus?
 

marktaha

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Mickey Leland, Jerry Litton, Paul Wellstone, John F. Kennedy Jr., Niel Kinnick, Leo Ryan, Floyd Olson, Anton Cermak, RFK, Larry McDonald, John Johnson, Marion Zioncheck...

I'd also argue about political death, like EMK and Chappaquidick.
Mcdonald far Right fanatic. Did Cermak have any further ambitions?
 
Mcdonald far Right fanatic. Did Cermak have any further ambitions?
True about McDonald

IMO he'd be a terrible leader, probably an unholy amalgamy of Goldwater (sans Goldwater's redeeming qualities) and Helms.

I'm unsure of Cermak's ambitions, but perhaps he could have become Governor or later serve in FDR's cabinet.

As for the others:

Olson: He had already been nominated for the US Senate and likely would have won had he not died. Similar to his predecessor, John Johnson.

Litton: Similar to Olson and Mel Carnahan. Highly thought of and capable, easily could have become president later in life.

Leland: See above. Could have been a senator, governor, or president.

Ryan: Went above and beyond to try to save people who wanted to leave Jonestown, assassinated by Jim Jones' goons.

Paul Wellstone: Despite the MS and the anti-liberal bias at the time, I could see Wellstone becoming a powerful force in the Senate.

JFK Jr: Nuff said

Niel Kinnick: Heisman trophy winner, grandson of a former governor, Iowa royalty; had it not been for the tragedy of his death, Kinnick likely would have had an accomplished life.
 
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marktaha

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True about McDonald

IMO he'd be a terrible leader, probably an unholy amalgamy of Goldwater (sans Goldwater's redeeming qualities) and Helms.

I'm unsure of Cermak's ambitions, but perhaps he could have become Governor or later serve in FDR's cabinet.

As for the others:

Olson: He had already been nominated for the US Senate and likely would have won had he not died. Similar to his predecessor, John Johnson.

Litton: Similar to Olson and Mel Carnahan. Highly thought of and capable, easily could have become president later in life.

Leland: See above. Could have been a senator, governor, or president.

Ryan: Went above and beyond to try to save people who wanted to leave Jonestown, assassinated by Jim Jones' goons.

Paul Wellstone: Despite the MS and the anti-liberal bias at the time, I could see Wellstone becoming a powerful force in the Senate.

JFK Jr: Nuff said

Niel Kinnick: Heisman trophy winner, grandson of a former governor, Iowa royalty; had it not been for the tragedy of his death, Kinnick likely would have an accomplished life.
Takes me back -the Daily Mirror, British Labour-supporting President,described MacDonald as "tipped as a future President"after his death. By who?
 
Could only have been by someone tipping or snorting or by an ASB. He was a total conspiracy loony, especially for a Democrat (yes he was).
 
Might be too current, but Eduardo Campos in Brazil couldve had become the president of Brazil had he not died in 2014

Also a few others in brazil, Tancredo Neves comes to mind, but another mineiro, Lúcio Bittencourt, could have risen higher had he not died imo
 
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Takes me back -the Daily Mirror, British Labour-supporting President,described MacDonald as "tipped as a future President"after his death. By who?

I think that was just smug British leftists assuming that Americans will always vote for a far-right crackpot, even an obscure no-name leading a lobby-group that some Republicans felt it prudent to denounce, and who would have totally alienated his own party if running at the presidential level.

(Though I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could probably find some bircher who introduced McDonald at a rubber-chicken dinner as "...the kind of man we need in the White House right now!")
 
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Here are some picks that I think could have gone far had they decided to go into politics:

Rev. James Reeb
John H. Wood Jr.
 
Davy Crockett- he had already served in Congress, and if he had survived the Alamo, I'm confident he would have returned to Washington or Tennessee.

Will Rogers Sr- He was famous and already involved in politics. Although the public may not have been ready for a movie star in the White House then.

Sergeant Alvin York- war hero, humble, patriot. And then there's the movie.

Audie Murphy- similar to above, easily could have gone anywhere had it not been for his ptsd and his death.

Rosa Parks- could she have become the Shirley Chisholm of the south?

Paul Newman- why not? He's a better actor than Reagan for sure.

Admiral Richard Byrd- he's got connections, military service, and fame.
 

Driftless

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Yonatan Netanyahu - Bibi's older brother. Military hero (1976 Entebbe hostage rescue mission)

Quentin Roosevelt - Teddy's youngest. He had connections, and real potential for bigger things - killed in WW1

George H Thomas - Deliberate, but rock solid leadership. Actively shunned advancement following the ACW. There would need to be a better path around that limitation for him to step ahead.
 
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Driftless

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Davy Crockett- he had already served in Congress, and if he had survived the Alamo, I'm confident he would have returned to Washington or Tennessee.

Will Rogers Sr- He was famous and already involved in politics. Although the public may not have been ready for a movie star in the White House then.

Sergeant Alvin York- war hero, humble, patriot. And then there's the movie.

Audie Murphy- similar to above, easily could have gone anywhere had it not been for his ptsd and his death.

Rosa Parks- could she have become the Shirley Chisholm of the south?

Paul Newman- why not? He's a better actor than Reagan for sure.

Admiral Richard Byrd- he's got connections, military service, and fame.
I especially like Crockett - he had more on the ball than Andy Jackson by a mile. (Dying at the Alamo notwithstanding :openedeyewink:)
Rogers Sr could have been interesting in the US House or Senate especially
I think York would have been too low key and self effacing for politics
Murphy certainly wasn't afraid of the limelight, so why not?
Rosa Parks has alway struck me as an ordinary women (with a heart of oak) who just got fed up.
Newman - Of course! He was an effective extemporaneous speaker, telegenic (duh!), intelligent, principled
Byrd - as you note, connections, service, fame AND a ton of personal ambition.
 
Shot in the dark, but MLK combined with JFK? MLK likely wouldn't become President or anything but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for him to, say, form a single-issue Civil Rights Party in the event that JFK isn't killed and the CRA is killed in Congress? Of course, I'm not an expert on the subject, so feel free to correct me.

Going back to what I'm a bit more knowledgeable in, Yuri Andropov. He was basically the de facto paramount leader of the USSR since 1975, and if he can serve and live for a bit longer --- say, 1982-1990 instead of 1982-1984 --- then his domestic policies focused on crushing truancy in civilian industries and local autonomy for certain industries would help increase Soviet production (OTL they did by about 4%), while his anti-corruption initiatives likely wouldn't go far enough to eliminate corruption but it would deal some significant blows (OTL he basically reversed Brezhnev's tacit acceptance of corruption and fear of conflict and self-criticism, dismissing many government officials and even starting high-profile criminal cases against high-ranking members).

This, of course, is going to be coupled with Andropov's incredibly authoritarian social policies that would make Stalin blush. He hated anti-socialist dissent (despite promoting reformers like Gorbachev) and hid the fact that the Soviets shot down KAL 007 on accident, framing it as an act against western provocation. He also raised the Soviet military budget a ton which wasn't really helping anybody and floundered quite a bit on foreign policy.

Ultimately, I feel like Andropov living a few years longer might let the USSR trudge on for maybe a decade or two --- more internally authoritarian, but ironically a bit more liberal in foreign policy. He opposed sending troops into Poland during Solidarity's debut around 1980 and opposed the war in Afghanistan, but at the same time he'd probably ramp up military spending to nations like Syria, Libya, and Cuba like he did OTL. This isn't going to bode well with Reagan, another hawk, in the White House. Andropov wanted to avoid open war but during his tenure relations with the West plummeted.

Lenin doesn't get shot by Fanny Kaplan and lives longer maybe Stalin is avoided.
I doubt it. Stalin was well-liked by much of the party and was ideologically orthodox; by the end of his life Lenin even began agreeing with Stalin's positions on Socialism in One Country and the NEP, and Stalin became pretty famous for his synthesis of Marxism-Leninism and astute politicking. Regardless, Lenin's family had a history of serious heart problems and his father died relatively young. I doubt simply not being shot would save his life.
 
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I've wondered what Sonny Bono's political career might have looked like if he had lived longer. He was already fairly old when he died, but perhaps he could've moved on to the Senate or Governorship.
 

ahmedali

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Lenin doesn't get shot by Fanny Kaplan and lives longer maybe Stalin is avoided.

Mao had a son who was killed by a bombing raid in the Korean War. Mao Anying I believe. If he lives, maybe the PRC becomes mega-North Korea with a Mao dynasty in power sticking to the ideological violence and not doing the capitalist reforms.

Caligula's father Germanicus was a popular and successful general who was a candidate for Emperor. Keep him from dying of poison in the Near East and he might keep a successful Julio-Claudian dynasty longer and not arguably lose it like his son. I say arguably because I consider the possibility alot of the stuff about Caligula was propaganda by senators who did not like him for their own reasons, since the plebes demanded his death be investigated since he was still popular with common people.
In fact, I see it as just a delay for Stalin

Relations between Lenin and Trotsky became very bad
 
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