I thought they were talking about Marilyn Manson tbh, guess thats what I get for reading stuff while sleep deprived
Alt-History Aftermath Scenarios Implied by Media
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Back in my high school days many a female semi-idolized their personal, individually defined ideal of her as an individual to aspire to.
For some reason none of them ever wanted to discuss how her life turned out with me but they had her picture on posters in their room or beneath the front plastic of their binders.
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Ranczo (2007-2014)
PostCommunist Small Town Politician becomes president in 2015 Election, and a ,,Centrist" Party (The Honesty Party) is implied to win the parlamentary elections afterwards. Might alter the turn of events after 2015, becouse unlike Duda the Show's Wójt (title, not name) is actually a somewhat strong willed guy and there isn't really any Kaczyński-aquivilant to bully him around.
Ranczo (2007-2014)
PostCommunist Small Town Politician becomes president in 2015 Election, and a ,,Centrist" Party (The Honesty Party) is implied to win the parlamentary elections afterwards. Might alter the turn of events after 2015, becouse unlike Duda the Show's Wójt (title, not name) is actually a somewhat strong willed guy and there isn't really any Kaczyński-aquivilant to bully him around.
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Don't Look Up can't stop huffing it's own farts for 5 seconds to try and make a honest point and the entire movie is a joke. It's pretty much one big strawman of humanity coming off as baby's first criticism of mankind. The director abd writers were obviously trying to make a "Oh wow guys doesn't this remind you of climate change / covid / [subject of contention] where we should just stop and agree on it already?" by like I said strawmanning the fuck out of everyone so it would fit their insane plot. I particularly love the desperate shoe horning of a Trump expy into it as well, really seals the deal of the entire cringefest.
Deep Impact is a pretty decent movie but I feel it failed at being good because it abandoned the hard science it seemed to be going for halfway through. There is no reason ANYONE would be evacuating on the day of the crash like it shows, anyone but a small minority would have GTFO of the east coast at least 48 hours before if not as soon as the news came that the op to blow the comet failed. Byt Hollywood needed their cheap drama and disaster porn so they had all those people be killed by the Tsunami.
Moonfall is so absurdly dumb ot sounds like it was a sketch about Emerich movies being over the top. They made up a stupid conspiracy about the Moon, a total violation of common sense in reactions, a extremely cringe nerd character with a Elon Musk worship complex that wouldn't have worked even if the movie had come out during the height of the media sucking the man off much less when it did after he bought Twitter and became a persona non gratta. And obligatory CGI disaster porn that exists for the sake of existing. If you took a shot for every stupid thing you would fall over drunk before the 20 minute mark.
As in my addition to the thread, the game Atomic Heart is a pretty obvious one since it is straight up declared as alternate history. Though I have not played it yet. It's set in 1955 but the departure from our TL was in 1936 with the invention/discovery of "Polymer" which is a sort of magical supermaterial that leads to a stupid fast tech development in the USSR. WW2 ends a bit earlier with a Soviet nuking of Berlin but the USSR actually suffers more because there was biological weapons deployed and while the full numbers are not given it is said that in the Eastern Front the cadualities were around 150 million! This would lead Stalin to given full support of the robotization of the USSR which is why by 1955 there are so many robots. It also led to Stalin being less tyrannical apparently (probably because he literally couldn't afford to kill people or because he got crippled by the plague, people mention the purges a lot more easy than they would have in OTL 1955 so it implies he also likely died earlier. Kruschev is running things).
Deep Impact is a pretty decent movie but I feel it failed at being good because it abandoned the hard science it seemed to be going for halfway through. There is no reason ANYONE would be evacuating on the day of the crash like it shows, anyone but a small minority would have GTFO of the east coast at least 48 hours before if not as soon as the news came that the op to blow the comet failed. Byt Hollywood needed their cheap drama and disaster porn so they had all those people be killed by the Tsunami.
Moonfall is so absurdly dumb ot sounds like it was a sketch about Emerich movies being over the top. They made up a stupid conspiracy about the Moon, a total violation of common sense in reactions, a extremely cringe nerd character with a Elon Musk worship complex that wouldn't have worked even if the movie had come out during the height of the media sucking the man off much less when it did after he bought Twitter and became a persona non gratta. And obligatory CGI disaster porn that exists for the sake of existing. If you took a shot for every stupid thing you would fall over drunk before the 20 minute mark.
As in my addition to the thread, the game Atomic Heart is a pretty obvious one since it is straight up declared as alternate history. Though I have not played it yet. It's set in 1955 but the departure from our TL was in 1936 with the invention/discovery of "Polymer" which is a sort of magical supermaterial that leads to a stupid fast tech development in the USSR. WW2 ends a bit earlier with a Soviet nuking of Berlin but the USSR actually suffers more because there was biological weapons deployed and while the full numbers are not given it is said that in the Eastern Front the cadualities were around 150 million! This would lead Stalin to given full support of the robotization of the USSR which is why by 1955 there are so many robots. It also led to Stalin being less tyrannical apparently (probably because he literally couldn't afford to kill people or because he got crippled by the plague, people mention the purges a lot more easy than they would have in OTL 1955 so it implies he also likely died earlier. Kruschev is running things).
The Game I Expect You To Die, which seemingly diverged pre-1990, has some rather strange geopolitics. The world seems to have been consolidated into 4 power blocs/superstates, namely the Hudson Federation (North America and Cuba), the Mediterranean Commonweath (Europe, Northern half of Africa, Middle East, Soviet Union and Greenland), the South Atlantic Union (Central and South America, as well as the Southern half of Africa), and the Pacific League (Most of Eastern and Sourthern Asia and all of Oceania).
However, looking at the map in more detail reveals some strange borders, such as Germany and Korea still being split despite being in the same coalition/superstate. In addition, there doesn't seem to be a cold war between them either. And that is before we address the elephant in the room that is the Soviet Union still existing. The titles of the national leaders (as seen in the second game) are also not really indicative as to what is going on, as the Hudson Federation is led by a Premier, not a President (meaning it wasn't a case of the US gobbling up their neighbors), and the Mediterranean Commonwealth has a Prime Minister (which suggests it isn't a continuation or outgrowth of the Soviet Union, as the Soviets used Chairman or Premier instead).
In any case, I'd love to see an explanation, as hare-brained as it might be, how in the world the world ended up like, well, that. Because, well, it's quite something. I know it's a cartoony game made to be a fun homage to classic spy movies, and the writers likely didn't think that much into it, but still.
However, looking at the map in more detail reveals some strange borders, such as Germany and Korea still being split despite being in the same coalition/superstate. In addition, there doesn't seem to be a cold war between them either. And that is before we address the elephant in the room that is the Soviet Union still existing. The titles of the national leaders (as seen in the second game) are also not really indicative as to what is going on, as the Hudson Federation is led by a Premier, not a President (meaning it wasn't a case of the US gobbling up their neighbors), and the Mediterranean Commonwealth has a Prime Minister (which suggests it isn't a continuation or outgrowth of the Soviet Union, as the Soviets used Chairman or Premier instead).
In any case, I'd love to see an explanation, as hare-brained as it might be, how in the world the world ended up like, well, that. Because, well, it's quite something. I know it's a cartoony game made to be a fun homage to classic spy movies, and the writers likely didn't think that much into it, but still.
But only in the West. I can see the borders of Armenia and Azerbaijan as well as the Central Asian States (I mean Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are part of the Pacific League (or even China) rather than Mediterranean Commonwealth).
I also noticed that both South Sudan and Yugoslavia exist.
Which makes me wonder how that happened. Did they do that deliberately? It does not seem like something which would happen if they had just used paint's 'bucket tool' to fill in countries with the colour of their bloc/superstate on a basemap. Unless they had used a basemap dating from the Cold War for Europe and a modern one for the rest of the world, or something like that.
Oh, my sweet, sweet summer child... They don't. I assure you.
How in the world does this make sense? Also, I just noticed Sydney in Australia being replaced with a water-filled crater seems to be a constant in every Gundam Timeline. That place just seems to attract orbital drops like nectar does flies, doesn't it?
And then there is Seed, which is just as disappointing in its maps as it is in its story and worldbuilding, because it seems like the writers just copied the world of Orwell's 1984 (especially looking at the Eurasian Federation and Atlantic Federation situation in regards to Britain), but with a few extra borders for nations like India, Scandinavia (which looks like it revived the Kalmar Union out of a sense of nostalgia), and the Equatorial Union. The setting also seems to be oddly enamored with using "Union" for some reason. The only part of that that kinda makes sense is the Oceania Union, which is just Astralia and New Zealand, as the two nations have been pretty close historically.
I don't have a map for 00 at hand, but it's geopolitics are even messier, and with way more outlandish names to boot, with China, India, and most of Oceania, iirc being united in the "Human Reform League" (good fucking luck convincing your constituents and neighbors you aren't a Dictatorship with enforced Eugenics if you consciously chose that name), North and South America falling under the authority of the "Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations", which is just a mouthful, and the European Union, while occupying Europe as well as all of Anatolia, the Levant, and Barents Sea (the sea north of Russia, for those who don't know), and somehow felt the need to add "Advanced" in front of its name, becoming the "Advanced European Union", which is just unnecessary. Also, Japan is somehow still independent in that whole mess, as a "Special Economic Jurisdiction", because it wouldn't be Gundam if the stand-in for Japan isn't made somehow special in defiance of reality (looking at Seed's Orb Union here, which the writer said is meant to be his idealized version of Japan).
I Expect You To Die might not be much more realistic, but to say that the writers of Gundam put more effort into their geopolitics, at least when it comes to the nations on Earth, just isn't true. Well, or they put alot of effort into it, but the results are simply nonsensical. And the names for the Superstates are at least catchier, especially when compared to 00. I mean, "Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations"? "Advanced European Union"? That's right up there with "Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" of Star Wars fame in terms of how not to name something. The "Hudson Federation" and "Mediterranean Commonwealth" are much more believable as far as names go.
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Never saw gundam, but this maps are truly an experience I guess.Oh, my sweet, sweet summer child... They don't. I assure you.
How in the world does this make sense? Also, I just noticed Sydney in Australia being replaced with a water-filled crater seems to be a constant in every Gundam Timeline. That place just seems to attract orbital drops like nectar does flies, doesn't it?
And then there is Seed, which is just as disappointing in its maps as it is in its story and worldbuilding, because it seems like the writers just copied the world of Orwell's 1984 (especially looking at the Eurasian Federation and Atlantic Federation situation in regards to Britain), but with a few extra borders for nations like India, Scandinavia (which looks like it revived the Kalmar Union out of a sense of nostalgia), and the Equatorial Union. The setting also seems to be oddly enamored with using "Union" for some reason. The only part of that that kinda makes sense is the Oceania Union, which is just Astralia and New Zealand, as the two nations have been pretty close historically.
I don't have a map for 00 at hand, but it's geopolitics are even messier, and with way more outlandish names to boot, with China, India, and most of Oceania, iirc being united in the "Human Reform League" (good fucking luck convincing your constituents and neighbors you aren't a Dictatorship with enforced Eugenics if you consciously chose that name), North and South America falling under the authority of the "Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations", which is just a mouthful, and the European Union, while occupying Europe as well as all of Anatolia, the Levant, and Barents Sea (the sea north of Russia, for those who don't know, and somehow felt the need to add "Advanced" in front of its name, becoming the "Advanced European Union", which is just unnecessary. Also, Japan is somehow still independent in that whole mess, as a "Special Economic Jurisdiction", because it wouldn't be Gundam if the stand-in for Japan isn't made somehow special in defiance of reality (looking at Seed's Orb Union here, which the writer said is meant to be his idealized version of Japan).
I Expect You To Die might not be much more realistic, but to say that the writers of Gundam put more effort into their geopolitics, at least when it comes to the nations on Earth, just isn't true. Well, or they put alot of effort into it, but the results are simply nonsensical. And the names for the Superstates are at least catchier, especially when compared to 00. I mean, "Union of Solar Energy and Free Nations"? "Advanced European Union"? That's right up there with "Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" of Star Wars fame in terms of how not to name something. The "Hudson Federation" and "Mediterranean Commonwealth" are much more believable as far as names go.
Watching the countries in action is worse.
Gundam is fine as series (well, while you ignore AGE or Wing) but the Earth geopolitics is horrible.
Also my guess is many of the hate against SEED is only because the Nazi-like genocide-obsessed rogue terrorist state... is the obvious sucessor of the United States of America... not one sucessor of Russia or China.
Also, the silly "sweet summer child" meme stopped being funny twenty years before GRRM was born.
There are more problems than just that. Or rather, that isn't a reason at all. The whole "Blue Cosmos is successor of the United States" was never an issue for anyone, as far as I know, and I do not know where you get the idea from.
What people do take issue with, alongside several other points, is more Kira "Jesus Christ's Second Coming" Yamato, who needs no introduction, for whom the narrative bends over backwards to excuse his actions, that everyone (except the protagonists), without fail, takes the most cartoonishly inhuman, mass-destructive course of action imaginable to the point they don't act like actual people, and instead behave like cardboard cutouts with a post-it note taped to them, and the entire character of Lacus Clyne, a character that goes from (and I am neither joking, nor exaggerating here) a Pop Idol Singer that doesn't understand the concept of war at all, let alone was aware that there was a state of war between ZAFT and the Earth Alliance for a long time, to the hyper-competent leader of what is basically the Goodie-Two-Shoes faction without any explanation, that somehow manages to steal highly classified military design data from her home nation without anyone noticing until the machines the data was far actually appears on the battlefield, all while getting her hands on a super-advanced battleship.
And then there is the fact that SEED later on tried really hard to be the new Universal Century, to the point of ZAFT using literal Zakus and Doms, while centering around another Unobtanium Particle called Mirage Colloid, as opposed to Minovsky Particles. Failing miserably on both accounts, given that SEED seems to be dead in the water, while UC still gets stuffed with content.
There are many valid points to criticise about Seed, and people being somehow upset that Blue Cosmos is implied to be America, be it "obvious" or implied (which I don't think is actually a thing beyond the Atlantic Federation capital being Washington DC), isn't really a thing in the fandom. It's definitely a writing quality problem, not a "How dare these filthy Japanese portray glorious US of A as Evil?!!" thing.
If it is a thing, it's a very, very small minority you had the displeasure of running into, assuming you aren't just making it up yourself. Because in all my years interacting with the fandom I've never seen that point brought up even once.
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The movie 2012 ends with Wisconsin now being the North Pole (might be south, it’s been awhile) so I was trying to visualise the world map after and found this attempt at it on Reddit:
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Scotch on the Rocks: The TV drama locked away for 50 years
The BBC Scotland drama Scotch on the Rocks was so contentious it has been locked away for 50 years.
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Just popped on the BBC website Scotch on the Rocks from the 60s/70s. Scotish Liberation Army leads a Revolt in Scotland, written by Douglas Herd.
The ,,The Waldo Moment" has a 2013 By-Election in some British Constituency of who-the-hell-cares, which is a Conservative safe seat, end with the discrediting of the major opposition, mob mentality rampant and the titular Waldo Character (and thus his Political Movement) under the thumb of a Power Hungly Lunatic.
Also a far future flashback reveals he would later take over the World, including but not limited to Iraq, Iran, Korea, some of Africa and Poland
Also a far future flashback reveals he would later take over the World, including but not limited to Iraq, Iran, Korea, some of Africa and Poland
Believe it or not, Zombie Strippers (2008) is an alternate history, wherein,"The film opens with a news montage showing a dystopic near-future in which George W. Bush has been elected to a fourth term. The United States Congress has been disbanded; public nudity is banned; the United States is embroiled in wars with France, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Venezuela, Canada, and Alaska. .."
And :
And :
Let me guess: your high school days were in the eighties while Madonna was playing on every boombox?