Rememberences of Map Contests Past
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Olivea:
During the very end of the Great War, the Hashemite-led Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire had all but succeeded. With the Arabian Peninsula free of Turkish cruelty, the Hejazi Kingdom came to a sudden realization: the British Empire would not make full her promise of an independent state, and was preparing to divvy up the Peninsula between the Entente Powers. Fearing for his people, a jihad was declared on Britain by the Sherif of Mecca and Medina.
The Arab-British War, as it was to be called, was painful and long, with the Arab strategy made fair use of the Peninsula's deserts and a large amount of guerrilla combat. Even when the major dynasties of Arabia (the Houses of Hashim, Saud, Rashid, and Rassids) all capitulated to Britannia, guerrilla forces who supported all of these dynasties fought on for another six years, often called the Bleeding of Arabia.
Following the Treaty of Aden, which ended the Arab-British War, the Peninsula and most Arab land were ceded to the British Empire, who divided it into several regions to form the Arabian Dominion: Greater Mesopotamia (comprising of Lesser Mesopotamia and Syria), the Free State of Zion, the Kingdom of Ha'il, the Kingdom of Hejaz (including both of the Holy Cities of Islam), the Kingdom of Yemen (which was technically a free state, but was under heavy amounts of British control), the Kingdom of Saud (containing the namesake kingdom, as well as the Rub' al-Khali Desert, and Asir), and the Kingdom of Oman. The map above, taken from The Territories of Britannia (1931), displays a rough breakdown of the administrative aspects of the Dominion, as well as a loose understanding of the religious identities of the Dominion (though, due note the long-since offensive use of "Mohammedan" as a general descriptor of Muslims, as well as placing Christianity, Judaism, and the Druze faith all above Islam and her many sects).
During the very end of the Great War, the Hashemite-led Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire had all but succeeded. With the Arabian Peninsula free of Turkish cruelty, the Hejazi Kingdom came to a sudden realization: the British Empire would not make full her promise of an independent state, and was preparing to divvy up the Peninsula between the Entente Powers. Fearing for his people, a jihad was declared on Britain by the Sherif of Mecca and Medina.
The Arab-British War, as it was to be called, was painful and long, with the Arab strategy made fair use of the Peninsula's deserts and a large amount of guerrilla combat. Even when the major dynasties of Arabia (the Houses of Hashim, Saud, Rashid, and Rassids) all capitulated to Britannia, guerrilla forces who supported all of these dynasties fought on for another six years, often called the Bleeding of Arabia.
Following the Treaty of Aden, which ended the Arab-British War, the Peninsula and most Arab land were ceded to the British Empire, who divided it into several regions to form the Arabian Dominion: Greater Mesopotamia (comprising of Lesser Mesopotamia and Syria), the Free State of Zion, the Kingdom of Ha'il, the Kingdom of Hejaz (including both of the Holy Cities of Islam), the Kingdom of Yemen (which was technically a free state, but was under heavy amounts of British control), the Kingdom of Saud (containing the namesake kingdom, as well as the Rub' al-Khali Desert, and Asir), and the Kingdom of Oman. The map above, taken from The Territories of Britannia (1931), displays a rough breakdown of the administrative aspects of the Dominion, as well as a loose understanding of the religious identities of the Dominion (though, due note the long-since offensive use of "Mohammedan" as a general descriptor of Muslims, as well as placing Christianity, Judaism, and the Druze faith all above Islam and her many sects).
Damein Fisher:
Following the Great War, Austria saw only minor expansion of its empire with Serbia and Montenegro falling under Austrian influence. However, this saw even worse ethnic tension for the empire, attempts were made to reform the empire into the United States of Great Austria, but these universally failed to come to fruition.
After the Parliament in Bosnia brought up the concept of an independence referendum, the autonomy of the province was heavily reduced, leading to the region declaring independence in 1926, encouraging all minorities to do the same. Austria was on the way to invade Bosnia as the region of Bohemia declared independence as well, followed soon by Serbia and Montenegro claiming full independence from the Austrian Crown and supporting their own rebels.
The Empire requested aid from their ally to the north, but Germany was struggling with the Red Wave in the east and couldn't spare resources that were being used to stop communism in their empire. However, the Austrian Ally of Naples was willing to send aid. The Front lines were slow and very similar to the Western Front of the Great War, until in June of 1927 when the Bosnian Lines collapsed and Bosnia was defeated. However, at that point rebels across the Empire was seeing their opportunity. Poles in Galicia, Romanians in Hungary and Italians in Lombardy-Venetia, and with these rebels came other nations supporting them.
At the arrival of Romania into the war, Bulgaria would join as they were already debating support for Austria to gain land in Serbia that had been promised but not delivered in the Great War. Tuscany would also join after the declaration of war by Sardinia-Piedmont. Romania originally saw great success in the unoccupied northern Hungary but after Bosnia surrendered, many soldiers pushed them back and with Bulgarian aid, Romania surrendered in spring of 1928; ceding the remainder of Dobrogea to Bulgaria. After the defeat of the Bohemian rebels and the great success's of the Italians, Hungary realized their opportunity and declared independence, turning their rifles on Austria.
Austria, desperate to hold on, made peace with many of the smaller rebel states. The Treaty of Venice saw the cession on Lombardy to Sardinia-Piedmont, forming the Kingdom of High Italy. The Treaty of Belgrade released Serbia and Montenegro from being Client states [To which they would unify a month later. And the Treaty of Lemberg saw Polish border regions of Galicia unified with Poland. The War between Naples and Austria versus Hungary would continue for another year and a half until the Austrians collapse from economic strain and made peace in August 4 1930, ending the Austrian Civil War.
The people of Austria were deeply wounded by the war and the death of their empire. Even after joining the European Economic Confederation the following year giving their economy a boost, they were heartbroken. However, a new movement has become popular in the eyes of the Young Austrians, that of a Union of the Germanic Kingdoms.
This map is part of my ongoing Timeline; The Lion, The Rooster and the Eagle. A Larger, full-size version can be found here.
Following the Great War, Austria saw only minor expansion of its empire with Serbia and Montenegro falling under Austrian influence. However, this saw even worse ethnic tension for the empire, attempts were made to reform the empire into the United States of Great Austria, but these universally failed to come to fruition.
After the Parliament in Bosnia brought up the concept of an independence referendum, the autonomy of the province was heavily reduced, leading to the region declaring independence in 1926, encouraging all minorities to do the same. Austria was on the way to invade Bosnia as the region of Bohemia declared independence as well, followed soon by Serbia and Montenegro claiming full independence from the Austrian Crown and supporting their own rebels.
The Empire requested aid from their ally to the north, but Germany was struggling with the Red Wave in the east and couldn't spare resources that were being used to stop communism in their empire. However, the Austrian Ally of Naples was willing to send aid. The Front lines were slow and very similar to the Western Front of the Great War, until in June of 1927 when the Bosnian Lines collapsed and Bosnia was defeated. However, at that point rebels across the Empire was seeing their opportunity. Poles in Galicia, Romanians in Hungary and Italians in Lombardy-Venetia, and with these rebels came other nations supporting them.
At the arrival of Romania into the war, Bulgaria would join as they were already debating support for Austria to gain land in Serbia that had been promised but not delivered in the Great War. Tuscany would also join after the declaration of war by Sardinia-Piedmont. Romania originally saw great success in the unoccupied northern Hungary but after Bosnia surrendered, many soldiers pushed them back and with Bulgarian aid, Romania surrendered in spring of 1928; ceding the remainder of Dobrogea to Bulgaria. After the defeat of the Bohemian rebels and the great success's of the Italians, Hungary realized their opportunity and declared independence, turning their rifles on Austria.
Austria, desperate to hold on, made peace with many of the smaller rebel states. The Treaty of Venice saw the cession on Lombardy to Sardinia-Piedmont, forming the Kingdom of High Italy. The Treaty of Belgrade released Serbia and Montenegro from being Client states [To which they would unify a month later. And the Treaty of Lemberg saw Polish border regions of Galicia unified with Poland. The War between Naples and Austria versus Hungary would continue for another year and a half until the Austrians collapse from economic strain and made peace in August 4 1930, ending the Austrian Civil War.
The people of Austria were deeply wounded by the war and the death of their empire. Even after joining the European Economic Confederation the following year giving their economy a boost, they were heartbroken. However, a new movement has become popular in the eyes of the Young Austrians, that of a Union of the Germanic Kingdoms.
This map is part of my ongoing Timeline; The Lion, The Rooster and the Eagle. A Larger, full-size version can be found here.
NeonHydroxide:
While the collapse of the German Reich is usually associated with the monumental events of 2013-15, the roots of the dissolution of the German sphere were much more gradual and took much longer than the popular understanding recognizes. Typically thought of as a major but tangential event of the Cold War, the revolution in Ukraine in fact was the first domino which directly led to the dismemberment of the European Union from the Volga to the Urals.
After the defeat of the Soviet Union during the Second World War, the region now known as the former Eastern Territories were organized into Reichkommisariats, whose initial goal was to oversee the ethnic cleansing of the predominantly Slavic population and resettlement by Germans. However, the need for continuous extraction to feed the Reich during the early Cold War led to these plans being gradually delayed, until the removal of Nazi Party rule made them obsolete. For thirty years the East simmered under a low-intensity partisan conflict - until the New Law of 1978. With the Reich facing economic recession and the strains of losing a proxy war with the United States in Sudan, the new German leader decided to expand civil rights to a series of new ethnicities, in an attempt to stabilize Eastern Europe. The largest such group to be declared 'near-Aryan' was the Ukrainians, and former opposition leaders were offered token positions in the Reichkommissariat's new advisory parliament.
This did cool tensions for a time, but ultimately expanded rights and a decreased grip merely increased the desire for true freedom and equality. Throughout the 1980s, the Ukrainian National Socialist Party, intended as a puppet of Berlin, was coopted by the underground Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, and increasingly dared to criticize the consequences of German rule. The proverbial match came in the summer of 1993, when a short summer and re-tightened sanctions related to the Algiers crisis led to famine across the European Union. Grain shipments from Ukraine to the core of the Reich prompted long lines and high prices, and ultimately to mass protests in Kiew, Rowno, and Hitlerstadt. Faced with the prospect of a reignited partisan war disrupting food supplies to Germany, the Reichkommissarriat was abolished, and Ukraine was promoted to an 'allied member nation' like France or Spain, with significantly more autonomy in the domestic sphere.
But a surname ending with 'enko' was not enough to keep the new Ukrainian leader in power for long, and within two years he was deposed by a OUN coup, which withdrew the nation from the German bloc. Unwilling to risk war in the East, Berlin rattled its saber, concluded a face-saving agreement, and allowed Ukraine to go - never formally a part of UNTO, but a neutral which leaned further and further towards the West as time passed. Although Germany remained a fearsome military power, Ukraine's successful defection showed that it was a paper tiger. Although the 1999 coup in Berlin and the brutal suppression of similar protests in Estonia gave the regime another decade, it proved impossible, once the first domino fell, to prevent the cascade.
While the collapse of the German Reich is usually associated with the monumental events of 2013-15, the roots of the dissolution of the German sphere were much more gradual and took much longer than the popular understanding recognizes. Typically thought of as a major but tangential event of the Cold War, the revolution in Ukraine in fact was the first domino which directly led to the dismemberment of the European Union from the Volga to the Urals.
After the defeat of the Soviet Union during the Second World War, the region now known as the former Eastern Territories were organized into Reichkommisariats, whose initial goal was to oversee the ethnic cleansing of the predominantly Slavic population and resettlement by Germans. However, the need for continuous extraction to feed the Reich during the early Cold War led to these plans being gradually delayed, until the removal of Nazi Party rule made them obsolete. For thirty years the East simmered under a low-intensity partisan conflict - until the New Law of 1978. With the Reich facing economic recession and the strains of losing a proxy war with the United States in Sudan, the new German leader decided to expand civil rights to a series of new ethnicities, in an attempt to stabilize Eastern Europe. The largest such group to be declared 'near-Aryan' was the Ukrainians, and former opposition leaders were offered token positions in the Reichkommissariat's new advisory parliament.
This did cool tensions for a time, but ultimately expanded rights and a decreased grip merely increased the desire for true freedom and equality. Throughout the 1980s, the Ukrainian National Socialist Party, intended as a puppet of Berlin, was coopted by the underground Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, and increasingly dared to criticize the consequences of German rule. The proverbial match came in the summer of 1993, when a short summer and re-tightened sanctions related to the Algiers crisis led to famine across the European Union. Grain shipments from Ukraine to the core of the Reich prompted long lines and high prices, and ultimately to mass protests in Kiew, Rowno, and Hitlerstadt. Faced with the prospect of a reignited partisan war disrupting food supplies to Germany, the Reichkommissarriat was abolished, and Ukraine was promoted to an 'allied member nation' like France or Spain, with significantly more autonomy in the domestic sphere.
But a surname ending with 'enko' was not enough to keep the new Ukrainian leader in power for long, and within two years he was deposed by a OUN coup, which withdrew the nation from the German bloc. Unwilling to risk war in the East, Berlin rattled its saber, concluded a face-saving agreement, and allowed Ukraine to go - never formally a part of UNTO, but a neutral which leaned further and further towards the West as time passed. Although Germany remained a fearsome military power, Ukraine's successful defection showed that it was a paper tiger. Although the 1999 coup in Berlin and the brutal suppression of similar protests in Estonia gave the regime another decade, it proved impossible, once the first domino fell, to prevent the cascade.
TapReflex:
TRAITORS ALL THE WAY DOWN
Radical Reconstruction begins, and military leaders, politicians, and munitions suppliers are either imprisoned or hanged.
Soldiers who betrayed the United States flee to Brazil. In Brazil, a number of Confederates decide it would be lucrative to smuggle out rubber tree seeds. This ultimately harmed Brazil by breaking its stranglehold on the Rubber economy. Several, on their way to Thailand to sell seeds and be guns-for-hire in India, are redirected to the Lanfang Republic. Though some train militias, the Confederates failed to assimilate into the population. Seeing an opportunity to rekindle the flame of a chattel slavery economy, they take over the city of Khunchen (OTL Pontianak). The Confederates beg for US assistance, and they get a gunboat parked in the Kapuas River. To guarantee peace, the US recognized the Lanfang Republic and negotiated a treaty of friendship, ensuring the US would protect the practices and lands. As a plantation economy grows, the Governors of Khunchen had the policy of evicting Chinese and Malay farmers and then forcing them to work their fields. A low level insurgency begins, and the Confederados begin mutilating the guerillas they catch. Worrying about US support, the Governor of Khunchen reverses course, and those armed Confederados turn on the Governor. The US must intervene and annexes Khunchen, putting the Confederates out of power for good.
TRAITORS ALL THE WAY DOWN
Radical Reconstruction begins, and military leaders, politicians, and munitions suppliers are either imprisoned or hanged.
Soldiers who betrayed the United States flee to Brazil. In Brazil, a number of Confederates decide it would be lucrative to smuggle out rubber tree seeds. This ultimately harmed Brazil by breaking its stranglehold on the Rubber economy. Several, on their way to Thailand to sell seeds and be guns-for-hire in India, are redirected to the Lanfang Republic. Though some train militias, the Confederates failed to assimilate into the population. Seeing an opportunity to rekindle the flame of a chattel slavery economy, they take over the city of Khunchen (OTL Pontianak). The Confederates beg for US assistance, and they get a gunboat parked in the Kapuas River. To guarantee peace, the US recognized the Lanfang Republic and negotiated a treaty of friendship, ensuring the US would protect the practices and lands. As a plantation economy grows, the Governors of Khunchen had the policy of evicting Chinese and Malay farmers and then forcing them to work their fields. A low level insurgency begins, and the Confederados begin mutilating the guerillas they catch. Worrying about US support, the Governor of Khunchen reverses course, and those armed Confederados turn on the Governor. The US must intervene and annexes Khunchen, putting the Confederates out of power for good.
Goliath:
David Cartography said:
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A Turn for the Worse
Now, I know it's a MOD that's quite often done, but I decided to take my own, rather maltopic spin on it. In 1676, years before Virginian independence, back when he was merely a ragabound trapesing through the Virginian countryside and fighting aboriginals, Nathaniel Bacon dies of dysentery. His merry band of supporters fragments after a few piecemeal declarations from the English governor regarding aboriginal threats in the countryside.
The first major consequence of this (other than, of course, the delay of the outlawing of slavery) is the near total destruction of the New England colony at the hands of aboriginal King Philip. IOW three quarters of the English colonists perished at hands of King Philip. Here, it's closer to 95%. Without King Bacon leading a defense from Virginia, reinforcements all the way from England simply take too long, and many Puritans find it simpler to migrant south to Virginia, or as IOW migrate into the Appalachian Mountains. The end result is a repeat of Roanoke, but on a much, much larger scale. Boston is razed to the ground. England is humiliated. France rejoices, and slowly settles the area over the coming century.
England then, is much more dependent on Virginia than in our world. Virginian cotton, here still underpinned by legalized slavery, keeps the English Empire from collapsing for the time. Much of English expansion further west, here directed and planned thousands of miles away in London, is done with the aim of securing good plantation lands, leaving more temperate climates to France. Technological advances like the cotton gin actually reinforce slavery's profitability, and much to London's horror the medieval system of feudalism finds itself recreated in Virginia, in a sort of dark tank fission.
There is still a successful slave revolt in the Caribbean, with the help of local freemen, but no matter how successful Hayiti (*Hispaniola, the name comes from an aboriginal name for the island) is as a prosperous mercantile republic, it's size simply limits its ability to project its vision to the world.
As IOW, there is a 19th century scramble for the interior of North America, however here it is run in a little more lopsided fashion. There are no interior settler states to fight, and the aboriginals are worse armed as a result. France gives her colonies self rule under a nephew of the King. Similarly Liberal England tries to encourage the gradual removal the Virginian Caste system, but is met with heavy refusal on the part of the local aristocracy. When Parliament convinces the Crown to put stricter pressure on Virginia, a revolt arises among those landed elite. They meet, crown their own King, and block off English blockades. After a few years, London at last recognizes an independent "Empire of Virginia" in 1848.
The new nation is a bit of a pariah on the world stage. It long continues slavery (arguably up until the present day, under other names) engages in border disputes with New France, and generally isolates itself into backwardness. New France is a truer superpower than any North American state is in our world, but unable to defend cosmopolitan or liberal sensibilities with an angry ritpick state which is eventually solarpid capable breathing fire on its south side.
War, fortunately, breaks out far less here than IOW. Tensions between New France and Virginia simmer down over the years, and at present they are almost cordial. Mejico and Further Siberia undergo revolutions are this world's largest radical states, and in the modern world New France finds itself uneasily de facto allied with Virginia (though not sharing a common defense system). Further Siberia and Mejico have their own disputes over leadership of the international radical order, but for the moment they are outwardly presenting a common front against New France and Europe's liberality. Virginia for its part, has an alliance with the Russians, which, owing to weakened international pressure, also has an ongoing system of serfdom. Virginia and Russia hope to create a "third way" one day, but for now must work with liberal powers and even Republics like Hayiti to oppose the Ptochocratic menace.
This world may see North America having less border disputes or "rambunctious" states, but solarpid armed standoffs where even the good guys have to side with modern-day slave holders isn't an improvement.
MOD (moment of divergence) =point of divergence
maltopic (from maltopia) =dystopia
IOW (in our world) = IOTL (in our timeline)
dark tank fission = "fun house mirrior"
ritpick = hillbilly
solarpid = nuclear
reactionism = fascism? kinda sorta
Ptochocracy = communism? kinda sorta
David Cartography said:
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A Turn for the Worse
Now, I know it's a MOD that's quite often done, but I decided to take my own, rather maltopic spin on it. In 1676, years before Virginian independence, back when he was merely a ragabound trapesing through the Virginian countryside and fighting aboriginals, Nathaniel Bacon dies of dysentery. His merry band of supporters fragments after a few piecemeal declarations from the English governor regarding aboriginal threats in the countryside.
The first major consequence of this (other than, of course, the delay of the outlawing of slavery) is the near total destruction of the New England colony at the hands of aboriginal King Philip. IOW three quarters of the English colonists perished at hands of King Philip. Here, it's closer to 95%. Without King Bacon leading a defense from Virginia, reinforcements all the way from England simply take too long, and many Puritans find it simpler to migrant south to Virginia, or as IOW migrate into the Appalachian Mountains. The end result is a repeat of Roanoke, but on a much, much larger scale. Boston is razed to the ground. England is humiliated. France rejoices, and slowly settles the area over the coming century.
England then, is much more dependent on Virginia than in our world. Virginian cotton, here still underpinned by legalized slavery, keeps the English Empire from collapsing for the time. Much of English expansion further west, here directed and planned thousands of miles away in London, is done with the aim of securing good plantation lands, leaving more temperate climates to France. Technological advances like the cotton gin actually reinforce slavery's profitability, and much to London's horror the medieval system of feudalism finds itself recreated in Virginia, in a sort of dark tank fission.
There is still a successful slave revolt in the Caribbean, with the help of local freemen, but no matter how successful Hayiti (*Hispaniola, the name comes from an aboriginal name for the island) is as a prosperous mercantile republic, it's size simply limits its ability to project its vision to the world.
As IOW, there is a 19th century scramble for the interior of North America, however here it is run in a little more lopsided fashion. There are no interior settler states to fight, and the aboriginals are worse armed as a result. France gives her colonies self rule under a nephew of the King. Similarly Liberal England tries to encourage the gradual removal the Virginian Caste system, but is met with heavy refusal on the part of the local aristocracy. When Parliament convinces the Crown to put stricter pressure on Virginia, a revolt arises among those landed elite. They meet, crown their own King, and block off English blockades. After a few years, London at last recognizes an independent "Empire of Virginia" in 1848.
The new nation is a bit of a pariah on the world stage. It long continues slavery (arguably up until the present day, under other names) engages in border disputes with New France, and generally isolates itself into backwardness. New France is a truer superpower than any North American state is in our world, but unable to defend cosmopolitan or liberal sensibilities with an angry ritpick state which is eventually solarpid capable breathing fire on its south side.
War, fortunately, breaks out far less here than IOW. Tensions between New France and Virginia simmer down over the years, and at present they are almost cordial. Mejico and Further Siberia undergo revolutions are this world's largest radical states, and in the modern world New France finds itself uneasily de facto allied with Virginia (though not sharing a common defense system). Further Siberia and Mejico have their own disputes over leadership of the international radical order, but for the moment they are outwardly presenting a common front against New France and Europe's liberality. Virginia for its part, has an alliance with the Russians, which, owing to weakened international pressure, also has an ongoing system of serfdom. Virginia and Russia hope to create a "third way" one day, but for now must work with liberal powers and even Republics like Hayiti to oppose the Ptochocratic menace.
This world may see North America having less border disputes or "rambunctious" states, but solarpid armed standoffs where even the good guys have to side with modern-day slave holders isn't an improvement.
MOD (moment of divergence) =point of divergence
maltopic (from maltopia) =dystopia
IOW (in our world) = IOTL (in our timeline)
dark tank fission = "fun house mirrior"
ritpick = hillbilly
solarpid = nuclear
reactionism = fascism? kinda sorta
Ptochocracy = communism? kinda sorta
NeonHydroxide:
Shamelessly stolen from the Rhomanian-language cable site NewHistory of TL-249. Usernames of participants redacted for privacy/paradox reasons. I've translated the Rhomanian into OTL English for clarity.
Shamelessly stolen from the Rhomanian-language cable site NewHistory of TL-249. Usernames of participants redacted for privacy/paradox reasons. I've translated the Rhomanian into OTL English for clarity.
MSG: NHC: Antesian state
MSG: Would it be possible to have an independent Antesian state appear and survive to the modern era? Let's say with no changepoint before 1500 or so.
MSG: What is Antesia?
MSG: Artemisia is your friend. Antesians were an ethnic group in the Suomic empire which essentially have been totally assimilated since the 2400s. Don't know how OP thought this up.
MSG: Sorry, I didn't think they were that obscure. In Taurida they are taught in schools as an early example of Grecian trade contacts.
MSG: I think I saw this concept somewhere before.
MSG: I honestly don't see how you get a handful of tribes to survive as a state in one of the most hotly contested areas of the world. Are Rhomania and Suomia just going to stop going at each other for a few hundred years to allow the Antesians to get settled?
MSG: It would really have to be as some sort of client state, but that would inevitably be very short-lived considering Rhomania's tendency to grab and settle everything in sight...
MSG: Aren't you Rhomanian?
MSG: 2769 =/= 2400s
MSG: suggesting Rhomania's policy is actually all that different now
MSG: To return to the topic at hand, I think the best shot at this is if Silla wins the Suomic-Sillan war of 2348, to an extent which the Suomic Empire falls apart then and there. As Rhomania was still tangling with Teotihuacania at that point, there's an opportunity for breakaway states to survive in the vacuum.
MSG: 'tangling' is a very euphemistic way to put it lol
MSG: remind me, what was the last time Rhomania invaded one of her neighbors?
MSG: but again were there really many of them left by then?
MSG: Found it! There's a book called the Atlas of Imaginary Places which covers this idea. The changepoint isn't clear from the map, though.
MSG: you would if Silla wasn't there to stop you
MSG: can you post the map?
MSG: yeah I'll go ahead and scan it
MSG: stop wasting my chunks with your political trash
MSG: Is that legal?
MSG: This site is hosted in Vedia, no one really cares
MSG: is that true?
MSG: well, a lot of posters do seem to treat bull like it was holy
MSG: transfer link: [removed]
MSG: It's about five mil
MSG: zeus' beard it better be interesting for five mil
MSG: Is the cable really that bad in Taurida?
MSG: The cable's that bad anywhere not touching the Mediterranean. Don't get the site censored while I'm gone.
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MSG: you're willing to slaughter the Embera wholesale for a warm-water port
MSG: that was literally 400 years ago
MSG: sorry but this map is kind of shit
MSG: but your consul has never apologized for it or even acknowledged it
MSG: because it was literally 400 years ago
MSG: What about the Bodans, by the way? You all aren't exactly clean either.
MSG: What's wrong with it?
MSG: classic Rhomanian deflection
MSG: I'm Sogdian, but thanks for the racist assumption
MSG: can't you people fight about this somewhere else?
MSG: not my fault the mods tolerate barbarians on the site
MSG: yeah so first off what is 'slavonshyna' and what are these moon runes?
MSG: 'Slavs' were the Antesians' name for themselves - as for the lettering, idk, a lot of the book is like that - sort of faux-alternate alphabet
MSG: if anyone is a 'barbarian', it's the people who were riding horses around the desert while we were inventing paper
MSG: these borders make absolutely no sense whatsoever, and where do these placenames come from? (not even touching the oh-so-edgy standard)
MSG: well, like I said, the changepoint isn't clear. it would probably have to be real early -somewhere between 500 and 1000
MSG: it just strikes me as very casual - sort of like a nationalists' wank, if there were any antesians left to make bad maps
MSG: lol, the cinians invented paper, you just conquered them
MSG: look, it's mass market newhistory, what do you expect. I didn't endorse it, just said I saw it
MSG: fair enough I guess
MSG: actually, the archaeological record suggests the Cahokians invented paper as early as 200 PUC, but this has been suppressed by racist historians
MSG: I think I'm done for the day anyways - wasted too many chunks receiving this blather
MSG: yeah, someone needs to get control of this system. where's CahuillaUrsa when you need him?
MSG: talk to you all later
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Daeres:
In 1944 the Leithanian Republics had good reason to feel optimistic. Only the previous year Riccardo Coen had said that the young country had finally found “the sure footing to match its visionary foundation”. It was one of many nations experiencing what is now termed the Long European Summer, a period of economic prosperity and stable international relations. In Leithania’s case this had come through recovery from the Austro-Hungarian Revolution’s collateral damage and strategic partnerships with other democratic governments in Europe. After the 1938 sale of Galicia to Ukraine the nation no longer had any major territorial disputes, and this had opened the door to closer ties with Russia. For the first time in their declared existence the Leithanian Republics were no longer focused on cleaning up the mistakes of the Habsburgs.
The mistakes of the Hohenzollerns, however, were another matter entirely. By March 1944 it was increasingly clear that matters in the creaking German Empire were coming to a head, with newly emboldened democrats coming out of hiding to protest in ever-increasing numbers. The nationalist government of Emperor Oskar had convinced him that the Empire’s shying away from war in the 1910s had led to the Revolution of 1921, and that only a general war would stop a second. Renewed democratic protests only fuelled Oskar’s resolve. The Ottoman Empire joined in secret treaties to reacquire its territorial losses in the Balkans, and likewise Romania in order to receive the rest of Transylvania and Banat. There was no presumption that any would defend Leithania directly save Russia, Ukraine. It was deemed that the casus belli would be the liberation of ethnic Germans from foreign oppression, a cause popular with many Germans and not without supporters abroad. The nation with the greatest number of ‘orphaned’ Germans was, of course, Leithania.
The Imperial war machine began to mobilise on the 4th June 1944, but the rest of Europe believed this was to be directed at the democrats of Germany, which was received with dismay but not surprise. Protests were lodged by a host of nations, and further economic sanctions announced by the League of Europe. It was not until late June that rumours began to circulate that the German Empire was planning on going to war, and at that point a general panic set in across Europe. International observers became increasingly convinced that the German Empire was going to target its aggression at the Great Experiment. A series of terrorist incidents involving irredentists in Leithania only confirmed this idea; the German Empire loudly defended the patriotism of their fellow Germans suffering at the hands of foreign oppressors, without ever acknowledging the violent acts they had committed, ranging from arson to attempted bombings. Soon they began to claim that the Germans of Austria were clamouring for freedom, and that Germany could no longer stand by while so many fellow German suffered under the rule of lowly peoples. On the 5th July Russia publicly reaffirmed its commitment to defend Leithania from any aggressors, but this did not deter the Imperial government at all; if the Slavs wanted to offer themselves up for conquest, so much the better.
A growing sense of menace thus brought a chill over the Long Summer, and the Leithanian Republics prepared themselves for war, a trouble not known in that part of the world the past nineteen years. But though many feared the violence to come few baulked at the idea of defending the Great Experiment from Imperial Germany. The domains of the Hohenzollerns had been held as the opposite of liberal, multicultural, forward-thinking Leithania for many years, and now it seemed the Emperor had come to destroy the country they had laboured so long to raise up. Though there were German irredentists in the Republics they remained a minority, one increasingly considered traitors to Leithania as war grew near. The Leithanian Republics would not simply roll over and let nationalists plunder their nation for land, treasure, and Germans. On the 18th July 1944 the German Empire declared war on the Leithanian Republics.
In 1944 the Leithanian Republics had good reason to feel optimistic. Only the previous year Riccardo Coen had said that the young country had finally found “the sure footing to match its visionary foundation”. It was one of many nations experiencing what is now termed the Long European Summer, a period of economic prosperity and stable international relations. In Leithania’s case this had come through recovery from the Austro-Hungarian Revolution’s collateral damage and strategic partnerships with other democratic governments in Europe. After the 1938 sale of Galicia to Ukraine the nation no longer had any major territorial disputes, and this had opened the door to closer ties with Russia. For the first time in their declared existence the Leithanian Republics were no longer focused on cleaning up the mistakes of the Habsburgs.
The mistakes of the Hohenzollerns, however, were another matter entirely. By March 1944 it was increasingly clear that matters in the creaking German Empire were coming to a head, with newly emboldened democrats coming out of hiding to protest in ever-increasing numbers. The nationalist government of Emperor Oskar had convinced him that the Empire’s shying away from war in the 1910s had led to the Revolution of 1921, and that only a general war would stop a second. Renewed democratic protests only fuelled Oskar’s resolve. The Ottoman Empire joined in secret treaties to reacquire its territorial losses in the Balkans, and likewise Romania in order to receive the rest of Transylvania and Banat. There was no presumption that any would defend Leithania directly save Russia, Ukraine. It was deemed that the casus belli would be the liberation of ethnic Germans from foreign oppression, a cause popular with many Germans and not without supporters abroad. The nation with the greatest number of ‘orphaned’ Germans was, of course, Leithania.
The Imperial war machine began to mobilise on the 4th June 1944, but the rest of Europe believed this was to be directed at the democrats of Germany, which was received with dismay but not surprise. Protests were lodged by a host of nations, and further economic sanctions announced by the League of Europe. It was not until late June that rumours began to circulate that the German Empire was planning on going to war, and at that point a general panic set in across Europe. International observers became increasingly convinced that the German Empire was going to target its aggression at the Great Experiment. A series of terrorist incidents involving irredentists in Leithania only confirmed this idea; the German Empire loudly defended the patriotism of their fellow Germans suffering at the hands of foreign oppressors, without ever acknowledging the violent acts they had committed, ranging from arson to attempted bombings. Soon they began to claim that the Germans of Austria were clamouring for freedom, and that Germany could no longer stand by while so many fellow German suffered under the rule of lowly peoples. On the 5th July Russia publicly reaffirmed its commitment to defend Leithania from any aggressors, but this did not deter the Imperial government at all; if the Slavs wanted to offer themselves up for conquest, so much the better.
A growing sense of menace thus brought a chill over the Long Summer, and the Leithanian Republics prepared themselves for war, a trouble not known in that part of the world the past nineteen years. But though many feared the violence to come few baulked at the idea of defending the Great Experiment from Imperial Germany. The domains of the Hohenzollerns had been held as the opposite of liberal, multicultural, forward-thinking Leithania for many years, and now it seemed the Emperor had come to destroy the country they had laboured so long to raise up. Though there were German irredentists in the Republics they remained a minority, one increasingly considered traitors to Leithania as war grew near. The Leithanian Republics would not simply roll over and let nationalists plunder their nation for land, treasure, and Germans. On the 18th July 1944 the German Empire declared war on the Leithanian Republics.
procrastinating2much:
My first entry
Map shows Europe in a cold war between the Central Powers (Germany, USA (Austria, not America), Croatia, Hungary, and Turkey) and the Entente (Britain, France, and Russia), locked in cold war and extremely militarised as imperialism never goes out of fashion like in OTL.
Annotations:
Ireland - It is often said by historians that without the introduction of conscription for Irish people by the UK in WW1, a war many in Ireland saw themselves as not responsible for, the Easter Rising may never have happened. Without this, Irish nationalism and Ulster Unionism does not spark between 1916 and 1920, so there is no creation of the Irish Free State. As a result, Ireland as a whole (with Ulster as an autonomous Province) is eventually granted Dominion Status, keeping the British Monarchy and slowly making its way towards full independence.
Britain, France and Russia - WW1 changed the attitudes of many towards Empires. Blatant imperialism and militarism had risen the tensions of Europe until the our timelines assassination of Franz Ferdinand sparked the Great War. Without this grave lesson in history, the Great Empires of the 19th century continue expansion without knowledge of consequences. Britain, France and Russia, still members of the Triple Entente, partake in a naval arms race and now, in 1944, a cold war. With navies and armies primed for war at any time, these nations continue to enclose the Germany, the last remaining Central Power, to resist its rapid militarization and retain influence. Russia, with no war to spark a brewing revolution, retains the much detested Tsar. Although rebellion in Finland has begun to die down, the German-aided Polish rebellion eventually caused a Russian withdrawal from the region. An independent, but German influenced, Poland now remains a buffer state between two superpowers.
Germany and the late Austro-Hungarian Empire - It was a group of scholars surrounding Franz Ferdinand that proposed the United States of Greater Austria, a federal Austria-Hungary with the purpose of preventing the revolts plaguing the dying empire. With his survival, this plan would be imagined in the late 1910s. The federal union would not last long though. The USGA faced rebellion for most of its 20th century history. By 1930, it was accepted that the state would struggle to stay in one piece. Germany sided with the central government in the Conference of Budapest (1939), which partitioned Greater Austria into 2 new nations, land to Poland and Russia, and devolved regions within the United States of Austria. Europe would scramble for influence over the power vacuum created in the USGAs death, with Germany coming out on top. Croatia, Hungary, and the US of Austria would be new nations within the Central Powers, contributing the growing cold war. The Kingdom of Germany emerged after Liberal reforms within the German Empire in the late 1920s, following the trend of Liberalization hitting France, Britain and Russia. Powers would be granted to the Reichstag, forming a constitutional monarchy. Militarism and conscription would grow the German Kingdom into the superpower of Europe. With no defeat in a war and subsequent treaty, Germany would remain a military and economic powerhouse, growing it's overseas Empire and preparing a population for war with the Entente.
The late Ottoman Empire and the Middle East - The sick man of Europe remained sick, with or without a war. Before he succumbed to his disease, Turkish revolutionaries hoping to build a Turkish Republic, like in our timeline, stole an Ottoman ship and bombarded Crimea in a false flag attack. The war with the Russian Empire would be short and bloody. With only the Ottoman Empire to focus on, Russia swept through Anatolia with British, French and Italian support. By the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire was devastated. Syke and Picot's dreams would be realized, as the Middle East was partitioned exactly according to their monstrous plan. The only independent nation to emerge, the Republic of Turkey, fell into the Central Powers, desperately clinging to the little land it had left. The Straits would be a Russia's Key to naval influence in the Mediterranean, such as Trieste would be the Central Powers.
My first entry
Map shows Europe in a cold war between the Central Powers (Germany, USA (Austria, not America), Croatia, Hungary, and Turkey) and the Entente (Britain, France, and Russia), locked in cold war and extremely militarised as imperialism never goes out of fashion like in OTL.
Annotations:
Ireland - It is often said by historians that without the introduction of conscription for Irish people by the UK in WW1, a war many in Ireland saw themselves as not responsible for, the Easter Rising may never have happened. Without this, Irish nationalism and Ulster Unionism does not spark between 1916 and 1920, so there is no creation of the Irish Free State. As a result, Ireland as a whole (with Ulster as an autonomous Province) is eventually granted Dominion Status, keeping the British Monarchy and slowly making its way towards full independence.
Britain, France and Russia - WW1 changed the attitudes of many towards Empires. Blatant imperialism and militarism had risen the tensions of Europe until the our timelines assassination of Franz Ferdinand sparked the Great War. Without this grave lesson in history, the Great Empires of the 19th century continue expansion without knowledge of consequences. Britain, France and Russia, still members of the Triple Entente, partake in a naval arms race and now, in 1944, a cold war. With navies and armies primed for war at any time, these nations continue to enclose the Germany, the last remaining Central Power, to resist its rapid militarization and retain influence. Russia, with no war to spark a brewing revolution, retains the much detested Tsar. Although rebellion in Finland has begun to die down, the German-aided Polish rebellion eventually caused a Russian withdrawal from the region. An independent, but German influenced, Poland now remains a buffer state between two superpowers.
Germany and the late Austro-Hungarian Empire - It was a group of scholars surrounding Franz Ferdinand that proposed the United States of Greater Austria, a federal Austria-Hungary with the purpose of preventing the revolts plaguing the dying empire. With his survival, this plan would be imagined in the late 1910s. The federal union would not last long though. The USGA faced rebellion for most of its 20th century history. By 1930, it was accepted that the state would struggle to stay in one piece. Germany sided with the central government in the Conference of Budapest (1939), which partitioned Greater Austria into 2 new nations, land to Poland and Russia, and devolved regions within the United States of Austria. Europe would scramble for influence over the power vacuum created in the USGAs death, with Germany coming out on top. Croatia, Hungary, and the US of Austria would be new nations within the Central Powers, contributing the growing cold war. The Kingdom of Germany emerged after Liberal reforms within the German Empire in the late 1920s, following the trend of Liberalization hitting France, Britain and Russia. Powers would be granted to the Reichstag, forming a constitutional monarchy. Militarism and conscription would grow the German Kingdom into the superpower of Europe. With no defeat in a war and subsequent treaty, Germany would remain a military and economic powerhouse, growing it's overseas Empire and preparing a population for war with the Entente.
The late Ottoman Empire and the Middle East - The sick man of Europe remained sick, with or without a war. Before he succumbed to his disease, Turkish revolutionaries hoping to build a Turkish Republic, like in our timeline, stole an Ottoman ship and bombarded Crimea in a false flag attack. The war with the Russian Empire would be short and bloody. With only the Ottoman Empire to focus on, Russia swept through Anatolia with British, French and Italian support. By the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire was devastated. Syke and Picot's dreams would be realized, as the Middle East was partitioned exactly according to their monstrous plan. The only independent nation to emerge, the Republic of Turkey, fell into the Central Powers, desperately clinging to the little land it had left. The Straits would be a Russia's Key to naval influence in the Mediterranean, such as Trieste would be the Central Powers.
TapReflex:
No WWI means the Ottomans keep puttering on, slowly approaching the German orbit. However, when Germany starts making overt movements towards making the Ottomans a German protectorate, France and Russia wind up starting a war with Germany. This war goes significantly worse for Germany, facing a more modernized Russian army, and not Schlieffen-ing it through Belgium. The German state collapses into socialist revolution, taking much of Austria-Hungary with them. The European International Union is a highly federal beast, with little truly linking every state with one another besides a coherent foreign policy and internal trade scheme. Bosnia, under Union control and not cut off from the Islamic world by the end of the Caliphate, is introduced Islamism in the late 1920s, where it takes off into a more socialist direction. This Islamic socialism catches on in Turkey, and becomes the largest ideological force in European Islam.
No WWI means the Ottomans keep puttering on, slowly approaching the German orbit. However, when Germany starts making overt movements towards making the Ottomans a German protectorate, France and Russia wind up starting a war with Germany. This war goes significantly worse for Germany, facing a more modernized Russian army, and not Schlieffen-ing it through Belgium. The German state collapses into socialist revolution, taking much of Austria-Hungary with them. The European International Union is a highly federal beast, with little truly linking every state with one another besides a coherent foreign policy and internal trade scheme. Bosnia, under Union control and not cut off from the Islamic world by the end of the Caliphate, is introduced Islamism in the late 1920s, where it takes off into a more socialist direction. This Islamic socialism catches on in Turkey, and becomes the largest ideological force in European Islam.
Gud:
This ordinary English-language map of the Balkans was recovered from the hotel room of a British national committed to the Klaus Albrecht Sanatorium after attempting to assault a second-rate painter in Munich. The British individual appeared to suffer from a peculiar delusion, believing himself a time-traveler from an alternate time where (former) Archduke Franz Ferdinand died after the Sarajevo Incident some 30 years ago. Oddly enough, the troubled foreigner has since been taken into custody by Abteilung-IV, along with all of his belongings...
The ramblings of a madman or the desperate writings of an accidental time traveler? You decide.
This ordinary English-language map of the Balkans was recovered from the hotel room of a British national committed to the Klaus Albrecht Sanatorium after attempting to assault a second-rate painter in Munich. The British individual appeared to suffer from a peculiar delusion, believing himself a time-traveler from an alternate time where (former) Archduke Franz Ferdinand died after the Sarajevo Incident some 30 years ago. Oddly enough, the troubled foreigner has since been taken into custody by Abteilung-IV, along with all of his belongings...
The ramblings of a madman or the desperate writings of an accidental time traveler? You decide.