34. Hardly mid. She could have one or two more until about 37, but probably no older.
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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Ferdinand II of Aragon m. Isabella I of Castile
1) Isabella m. Alfonso VI of Portugal
2) John m. Catherine I of Navarre
3) Alfonso m. Joanna of Aragon and Naples
4) Joanna m. Philip IV of Burgundy
5) Maria m. Vladislaus II of Hungary and Bohemia
6) Ferdinand m. Bona Sforza
7) Katherine m. a) Arthur of Wales, b) Henry VIII of England
1) Isabella m. Alfonso VI of Portugal
2) John m. Catherine I of Navarre
3) Alfonso m. Joanna of Aragon and Naples
4) Joanna m. Philip IV of Burgundy
5) Maria m. Vladislaus II of Hungary and Bohemia
6) Ferdinand m. Bona Sforza
7) Katherine m. a) Arthur of Wales, b) Henry VIII of England
Amazing tree, the way everything was supposed to go. Long live the trastamaras
Louis XII of France (b. 1462-1517) a) Saint Joan de Valois (b. 1464-1507) ( div 1498) , b) Anne I Duchess of Brittany (b.1477-1514) and c) Eleanor of Austria (b.1498-1558)
b) Claude, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1499-1523) Francis, Count of Angoulême (b. 1494-1547)
Louise (b.1515-1575) m James V of Scotland (b. 1512-1564) in 1530 with issues
Charlotte (b.1516-1524)
Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b. 1518-1553) m Mary of England (b.1516-.1564) in 1533 with issues
Henry (b.1519-1568) m * Anne de Bourbon, Duchess Montpensier (b.1517-.1572) in 1534 with issues
Charles (b.1522-1523)
Margaret (b.1523-.1595) m Wilhelm, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1516-1589) with issues
b) Renée (b.1510-.1585) m Henry IX of England (b.1511-.1592) in 1526 with issues
Henry X of England (b.1527-.?)
Catherine (b.1529-.?)
Anne (b.1531-.?)
Edward,duke of York (b.1533-.?)
Mary (b.1536-.?)
Charles , duke of Somerset (b.1539-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1542-.?)
Eleanor (b.1545-.?)
C) Charles IX of France (b.1515-.1568) m Isabella of Poland (b.1519-.1574)
Louis XIII of France (b.1535-.?)
Bonne (b.1537-.?)
Charles Sigmund, Duke of Orleans (b. 1540-?)
Eleanor (b.1543-.?)
Philip,duke berry (b.1547-.?)
Isabelle (b.1549-.?)
Charles V married Mary Tudor Rose
* Daughter of Charles and Suzanne de Bourbon
Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459-1519) m a) Mary , b) Duchess of Burgundy (b.1457-1481), b) Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477-1514), c) Bianca Maria Sfoza (b.1472-1512)
Philip IV, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1478-.1504) m Queen Juana I of Spain (b. 1479-.1558)
Charles I, King of Spain (b. 1498-.1558) m Isabel of Portugal (b.1503-1545) in 1519 with issues
Eleanor (b.1500-.1558) m Joao III, King of Portugal (b. 1502-.1557) with issues
Isabella (b.1501-.1556) m Christian II, King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway (b. 1482-.1558) with issues
Mary (b.1503-1564) m Antoine, Duke of Lorraine and Bar (b.1489-1547) with issues
Margaret (b.1480 -.1536) m a)Juan, Prince of Asturias (b. 1478-1497) b) Philibert II, Duke of Savoy (b.1480-.1513)
Stillborn daughter (1498)
Mary (b.1502-.?) m Sigmund I, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania (b. 1467-.?) with issues
Philip III , Duke of Savoy (b.1504-.?) m Beatrice of Portugal (b.1504-.?) With issues
Louis (b.1507-.1512)
Margaret (b.1509-.?) m William IV, Duke of Bavaria (b.1493-.?) with issues
Stillborn son
Franz I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1481-1532) m Elizabeth of Poland (b. 1482-1551)
Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1501-1564) married Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1503-1547) in 1519 with issues
Stillborn son
Eleanor (b. 1504-.?) married a) Louis II of Hungary and Bohemia (b. 1505-1523) without issue and b) Francis I of France (b. 1494-.?) as his second wife with issue
Philip Archduke of Tyrol (b. 1506-.?) m Magdalena of Saxony (b. 1508-?) with issues
Elizabeth (b. 1509-?) m Henry IX, King of England (b. 1510-.?) with issues
Mary (b. 1511-.?) m Frederick II, Elector Palatine (b. 1482-.?) with issues
Margaret (b. 1513.)
No way Henry would marry Jane in this scenario…Jane was specifically set up as a foil to Anne by conservative Catholic courtiers and that wouldn’t work if Anne died giving birth to Henry’s heir. Much more likely Henry successfully remarries to either Christina of Denmark or Marie of guise
Edward IV (1442 - 1483) married a) Elizabeth Woodville (1437 - 1475) in 1464, b) Anne of Savoy (b. 1455) in 1476.
[1] Afonso dies as a child, but he has a younger brother, Joao (b. 1480), so Isabella's younger sister, Joanna, is betrothed to him.
- a) Elizabeth (b. 1466) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459)
- a) Mary (1467 - 1482)
- a) Cecily (b. 1469) married James IV, King of Scotland (b. 1474)
- a) Edward V (b. 1470) married Isabella of Aragon (b. 1470) [1]
- a) Margaret (1472)
- a) Richard, Duke of York & Norfolk (b. 1473) married Anne de Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk (b. 1472)
- a) Stillborn daughter (1475)
- b) Anne (b. 1477) married Philip II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1478)
- b) Edmund, Duke of Bedford (b. 1478) married Anne, Duchess of Britanny (b. 1477)
- b) Wilhelm, Duke of Rutland (b. 1479) married Elizabeth Herbert, Baroness Herbert (b. 1476)
- b) Catherine (1481)
- b) George (1483)
[1] Afonso dies as a child, but he has a younger brother, Joao (b. 1480), so Isabella's younger sister, Joanna, is betrothed to him.
Duchess Elisabeth of Württemberg (b.1767-.1790) m Franz II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1768-.1835)
Franz Karl Friedrich (b.1790-1825) m Caroline Augusta of Bavaria (b.1792-.1873) in 1809
Franz Joseph I (b.1811-1881) m Princess Mathilde Caroline of Bavaria (b.1813-1862)
Franz Joseph II (b. 1830-.1913) m Anna of Prussia (b. 1836-.1918,) in. 1852
Franz Joseph (b. 1853-.1901)
Rudolf (b.1857-.1901)
Maria Caroline (b.1861-.1921)
Karl Wilhelm (b.1864-.1910)
Karl Ludwig (b.1833-.1856) m Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil (b.1831-1858)
Maria Amelia (b. 1852-.1923) m
Maria Caroline (b.1856-.1929) m
Maria Caroline (.1837-.?) m Francis II of the Two Sicilies (b.1836-.1886) with issues
Ferdinand Wenzel (.1842)
Maria Elisabeth (.1845)
Maria Elisabeth (b.1814-1855) m Maximilian II of Bavaria (b.1811-.1864)
Ludwig II of Bavaria (b.1833-.1902) m
Maria Caroline (b.1835-.1887) m
Karl Friedrich Wilhelm (b. 1818-.1873) m Princess Januária of Brazil (b.1822-.1902) with issues
Maria Caroline (b.1840-.1904) m Leopold II of Belgium (b.1835-.1909) with issues
Maria Leopaldine (.1842)
Franz Ferdinand (b. 1845-.1875) m Princess Maria Annunciata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (b.1843-.1871) with issues
Maria Amelia (b.1848-.1859)
Maria Augusta (1820)
Maria Caroline (1825)
I need help with marriages
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Yolande, Duchess of Lorraine (b.1428-.1483) m a)Frederick of Vaudémont (b.1428-.1445) , b)Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1415-1495)
Christopher, (b.1450- .1479) m Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (b.1457-.1495)
Philip , I of Lorraine (b.1478-1515) m Anne of England (b.1475-1424) with issues
Helena (b.1454-1508) m Philip, Elector Palatine (b. 1448-.1508)
Louis V, Elector Palatine (b.1474-1531) m Elisabeth of Bavaria Lanschedot (b.1478-1523) with issues
Ruprecht (b.1478-1502)
Elizabeth (b.1481-.?) m William III, Landgrave of Hesse (b.1471-.?) With issues
Fredrik (b.1485-.1532)
Eleanor (b.1487-.?) m Philip I, Margrave of Baden (b.1479-.?) with issues
Helena (b.1492-.?) m George I, Duke of Pomerania (b.1493-.?) With issues
Isabella (b.1457-1512) m Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria (b.1447-.1508) with issues
Maximilian , Holy Roman Emperor (b.1461-.1523) m Catherine of Saxony (b.1468-.1524) with issues
Margaret (b.1464-1528) m Frederick III, Elector of Saxony (b. 1463-.1519) with issues
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No way a Holy Roman Emperor would be named John. It's because of this guy
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Charles IV (1421-1468) King of Navarre 1441, King of Aragon 1458 m. a) Agnes of Cleves (1422-1448) b) Catherine of Portugal (1436-1463)
1a) Blanche (1440-1500) m. Afonso V (1432-1481) King of Portugal
1) Edward (1460-1464)
2) Charles (1462)
2a) Eleanor (1442-1447)
3a) Agnes (1443-1469) a nun
4a) Joanna (1446-1499) m. Alfonso II (1448-1495) King of Naples
1) Isabella (1468-1527) m. Gian Galeazzo Sforza (1469-1514) Duke of Milan
2) Agnes (1469-1536) m. Casimir I (1458-1509) King of Hungary [1]
3) Ferdinand (1471-1476)
4) Charles IV (1474-1528) King of Naples 1495, m. Agnes of Aragon (1478-1516)
5) Alfonso (1475-1507) Duke of Bari, m. Beatrice d'Este (1475-1501)
6) Joanna (1476-1482)
7) Blanche (1479)
8) Eleanor (1481-1532) m. Philibert II (1480-1520) Duke of Savoy
5a) John III (1448-1498) King of Aragon and Navarre 1468, King of Castile iure uxoris 1474, m. Isabella (1451-1504) Queen of Castile
1) John (1470-1473)
2) Charles V/II/I (1472-1532) King of Aragon and Navarre 1498, King of Castile 1504, m. a) Anne of England (1475-1511), b) ???
3) Isabella (1473-1495) m. Afonso VI (1475-1520) King of Portugal
4) Joanna (1474-1531) m. Edward V (1470-1515) King of England
5) Alfonso (1476-1478)
6) Agnes (1478-1516) m. Charles IV (1474-1528) King of Naples
7) Maria (1479-1553) m. Maximilian I (1459-1519) Holy Roman Emperor
8) Catherine (1483-1537) m. John II (1485-1542) Duke of Burgundy
6b) Charles (1453-1508) m. Mary (1457-1511) Duchess of Burgundy
1) Philip (1476-1483) Count of Charolais
2) Margaret (1478)
3) Charles (1480-1486) Count of Charolais
4) Margaret (1481-1482)
5) John II (1485-1542) Duke of Burgundy 1511, m. Catherine of Aragon (1483-1537)
6) Philip (1487)
7) Catherine (1488-1553) m. Anthony (1489-1541) Duke of Lorraine
7b) Alfonso (1455-1458)
8b) Ferdinand (1457-1488) Archbishop of Zaragoza
9b) Eleanor (1460)
[1] OTL Saint Casimir Jagiellon, second son of Casimir IV of Poland. ITTL he get Hungarian throne in 1471 after unexpected death of Matthias Corvinus.
Actually Eli would be more correct to say, that no Habsburg of the imperial family would want to use John as the first name for his first-born son, but I don't see why any non-Habsburg Emperors couldn't use John as a name, given that that episode is strictly and exclusively linked only to the dynastic events of the Habsburgs, is that it therefore has nothing to do with the history of the imperial office itself
Emperors Charles V and Ferdinand I also had sons named John