WI: The General Dynamics F-111 is still born?

What if for some reason such as McNamara leaves his post earlier or some sanity prevails and everyone realize the F-111 isn't a fighter thus the entire project is canned?

What are the options if this happens?
What would be the consequences?
What does the USAF do?
What does the RAAF do?
What other designs could fill the breach?

Note: This isn't about the naval variant as the F-14 has it covered.
 
What are the options if this happens?
Agreed with Lascaris, though it's probably going to be called F-111 - the USAF really did want a 'fighter', it just considered that dropping nuclear bombs on people was the most important mission for one. This was the mindset that 'not a pound for air to ground' was fighting against a decade later.
What does the USAF do?
What does the RAAF do?
The F-111 that results will be a little bit longer, not quite as heavy, might enter service a little more quickly and cheaply, but not significantly different.

With the F-111 being a little bit earlier and cheaper, the RAF might get its order completed. Or perhaps not, there was a lot going on there and the UK ordered an F-111D derivative which probably wouldn't work any better ITTL. If it does, that's probably not a good thing for the UK overall.

Other than that, the main difference probably is with the USN. Without the joint TFX programme, you won't get the F-14 as we know it. That owed a lot to Grumman's experience with the F-111B over the seven years before it was cancelled. A Navy fighter designed five to seven years earlier wouldn't be the same animal.
 
What if for some reason such as McNamara leaves his post earlier or some sanity prevails and everyone realize the F-111 isn't a fighter thus the entire project is canned?
I think it's important to nail down exacting what's being asked here. As there's really two very, very different PoDs that this can cover: One is where the TFX tender is never made -- such as by Nixon winning in 1960 and butterflying McNamara becoming SecDef -- and the other is one where the TFX program is initiated and then, for whatever reason, cancelled. I'm assuming you meant the latter, where McNamara has a meeting with Truck-kun and gets isekaied to a place where he can build Orions bound for Mars while we're stuck in the inferior timeline for it. And that the isekaiing happens fairly early in TFX's lifecycle.

What are the options if this happens?
The USAF's strike requirements are what they are and there are a variety of other options to pursue to fill it. All of the other TFX competitors -- entries from Boeing, Lockheed, McConnell, NAA, and Republic were all on offer -- could be made to work, though the Boeing 818 had been the USAF's preferred option before the creation of the TFX program to fill the role and would be the most likely successor after TFX's demise.

There's also another twin-engined, two-seat high-speed, low-altitude penetrator currently in active development at the time of TFX's cancellation. One that makes fans of aviation history swoon, which always hangs out in the back of discussions of alternative F-111s, never really making its presence felt but always there nonetheless. Love or hate the TSR.2, it's an option, even if the politics of getting it adopted are head-spinning and it doesn't come close to meeting the payload requirements of the TFX RFP.

What would be the consequences?
The major consequences are that the USN gets to have an entirely allohistorical development program for its fleet defense interceptor. As @BlueTrousers says, this does not mean Grumman goes straight to the F-14 the better part of a decade ahead of time, but it also doesn't mean you won't get an F13F that is roughly what we'd call Tomcat-shaped, either. (Which is what we want, so that we can get the F-14 as the F14F, as God intended.) Though what, exactly, happens with the Navy's fleet defender program is also subject to the author's creative whims, as it can go everywhere from trying to get the F-14 and Typhon'ing itself to just building a Missileer that's a bit less of a death trap.

What does the RAAF do?
This ultimately depends upon butterflies, but there's no reason they wouldn't buy the *F-111 that's produced for the USAF, which would almost certainly be the Boeing 818. However, that's...not precisely boring, but there are other, spicier options if you want to invoke butterflies. As the RAAF considered both TSR.2 and the A3J Vigilante, with Australia's requirements playing a minor role in the former's agonizing design process. I've always had warm fuzzies for the Aussies somehow buying the Vigilante and then keeping it flying as long as they did the F-111, just because Vigilantes are awesome. (Are A-5s as cool as F-111s? A question for the ages.)
 
In terms of requirements, the Navy's interceptor requirement was very clearly not a true fighter like the Tomcat. At 56 feet long and 50,000 lbs GTOW, it would have been significantly smaller, and the performance goals of Mach 2 at altitude, Mach .9 at sea level, and 6-g maneuverability were significantly lower. They did want a 48-inch radar dish, which would further hamper any performance goals.

As far as what it would look like, I'd expect it'd look similar to the Vickers 583 with a fat nose to house a scaled-down APQ-81 or AWG-9. Twin afterburning TF30s, at least four Eagle or Phoenix missiles (the 583 could fit two tandem on the fuselage and two on the wing gloves).
 
Love or hate the TSR.2, it's an option, even if the politics of getting it adopted are head-spinning and it doesn't come close to meeting the payload requirements of the TFX RFP.
TSR-2 is a weird one, the design sortie was much more demanding than TFX, but the payload requirement was less. The aircraft as built didn't meet either requirement. That didn't stop BAC from trying to push it as an alternative - Martin was keen to build it under licence - and even a suggestion (which I assume never crossed the desk of anyone official!) the RAF might buy B-70s to offset the purchase.
I've always had warm fuzzies for the Aussies somehow buying the Vigilante and then keeping it flying as long as they did the F-111, just because Vigilantes are awesome. (Are A-5s as cool as F-111s? A question for the ages.)
The Australians were actually very keen on the A-5, as being available off-the-shelf and a lot cheaper than the F-111, though the latter would be more capable. They didn't rate the TSR-2 at all - they reckoned it would take longer to enter service than the F-111, cost more, and would be less capable.
 
TSR-2 is a weird one, the design sortie was much more demanding than TFX, but the payload requirement was less. The aircraft as built didn't meet either requirement. That didn't stop BAC from trying to push it as an alternative - Martin was keen to build it under licence - and even a suggestion (which I assume never crossed the desk of anyone official!) the RAF might buy B-70s to offset the purchase.
I've recently been rereading A Vertical Empire, and given how bomberphilic some of the Civil Service was, it might have hit the desk of someone who was of sufficient soundness to ensure the proposal was handled with the discretion it required. But yes, the ministerial response to a proposal to buy B-70s honestly has the makings of a Yes, Minister episode.

A timeline with Martin-built TSR.2s and operational B-70s with RAF roundels would probably make very little sense. But it'd be a whole lot of fun, I suspect.

The Australians were actually very keen on the A-5, as being available off-the-shelf and a lot cheaper than the F-111, though the latter would be more capable. They didn't rate the TSR-2 at all - they reckoned it would take longer to enter service than the F-111, cost more, and would be less capable.
The TSR.2's role in East of Suez operations and the role of Australian basing is what I was thinking of. Natch. Which does involve the Australians, but not their operational requirements. I did remember that they highly pessimistic on TSR.2's development timeline and that it wasn't a good value proposition.
 
Lockheed were BAC's preferred build partner.

Edit:. IIRC, the source I got it from - a researcher mate who spent decades going through the PRO to get everything on TSR2 he could get his hands on (except some NBC stuff that's still very classified) - added that the US designation for the American built TSR2 was to be F-112.
 
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F-111 Program was mess
Robert Strange McNamara try force a common platform down throat of USAF and US Navy.
In his mind that one common aircraft for both would reduce cost.

But USAF had different demands as US Navy and vice versa.
McNamara try sell F-111 as Fighter, in realty it was good long range missile platform and Bomber
Instead USAF took it as Bomber, while US Navy out refuse the F-111 in any role.

biggest issue McNamara could not sell the program as Bomber to Capitol Hill in high of Vietnam War
So term F-111 was taken.

Why took USAF the F-111 as Bomber and not fighter ?
Because of Fighter-Mafia in Pentagon and Capitol Hill, they were convince that jet Fighter need guns, not a missile platform.
in defence this was middle of Vietnam War, were dog fights in Vietnam Sky were happen every day...

and there was CIA and there hysterical assessment about the performance of Soviet MIG-25.
Who was fast high altitude interceptor that make Mach 3 for short time.
CIA assessment made the MIG-25 the no-plus ultra Fighter aircraft of it time, ( it was not )

The Fighter Mafia and CIA assessment let rethink USAF and US Navy there needs.
what let to F-15 and F-14 programs or the best Fighter aircrafts of there time !

Here the F-111 program could easy died, if circumstance play different in Pentagon and Capitol Hill .
USAF would take anyway the F-15 and US Navy the F-14 as next step
RAAF would buy other aircraft like French Dassault Mirage IV.
 
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F-111 Program was mess
Robert Strange McNamara try force a common platform down throat of USAF and US Navy.
In his mind that one common aircraft for both would reduce cost.

But USAF had different demands as US Navy and vice versa.

The F4 Phantom would like a word with you if it could :)

And actually the F4 IS the poster child of "common platform" aircraft, but as you say the "detail" requirements, especially for what the F-111 was supposed to be, do matter.

Randy
 
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In reality TSR2 would still be cancelled and the RAF will have Buccaneer shoved down its reluctant throat. However using the money not wasted on the F111K order the RAF's Bucc will be more developed with better avionics derived from the TSR2 program.
 
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And actually the F4 IS the poster child of "common platform" aircraft, but as you say the "detail" requirements, especially for what the F-111 was supposed to be, do matter.

Randy
Quite frankly the Phantom is a unicorn, the rare Navy aircraft that was also exactly what the Air Force needed, as well as probably the best all-around fighter in the world for a solid decade, if not longer.

But yes, if McNamara had his way the Navy and Air Force would be flying three aircraft between them: the F-4, F-111, and A-7.
 
In reality TSR2 would still be cancelled and the RAF will have Buccaneer shoved down its reluctant throat. However using the money not wasted on the F111K order the RAF's Bucc will be more developed with better avionics derived from the TSR2 program.
agreed - but that isn't as much fun!
 
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This really strange story
BAC TSR.2 was consider as B-57 replacement for USAF in begin1960s
but F-111 intervene in this, otherwise Boeing or Lockheed build TSR.2 would have survived as USAF Aircaft

Source:
 
This really strange story
BAC TSR.2 was consider as B-57 replacement for USAF in begin1960s
but F-111 intervene in this, otherwise Boeing or Lockheed build TSR.2 would have survived as USAF Aircaft

Source:
always a place for quality British workmanship! ;-)
 
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